---------- Post added 2013-03-19 at 06:55 PM ----------
"I hated hating Garrosh before it was cool."
FOR THE HORDE!!!
The real problem with this system is going to be pretty obvious in 5.3, 5.4 and maybe 5.5 if we get that far.
Having to spend one week doing MSV, then another week doing MSV, HoF and ToES, followed by 2 more weeks to get to 480 ilvl, then 2-3 weeks of ToT, then 2-3 weeks of Siege of Org to get geared up is going to get old real quick.
People liked the HoT heroics because you could jump into raiding after grinding out a full set of gear. Raids don't work the same, since you really can only do them once per week. Sure, you can get more rolls with coins, but sitting in an hour long que just to get another coin chance seems pretty tedious.
All this complaining is simply further proof that Blizzard could send each and every player a real-life wish-granting flying unicorn carrying a solid gold plate of chocolate chip cookies wrapped in hundred dollar bills, and someone would whine that Blizzard sucks for not letting them choose oatmeal raisin.
Those old Elder charms should be obtained doing OLD CONTENT (5.0 and 5.1), not the content that is being done by people with 60+ more ilvls than you.
And honor gear will make you miss most of your attacks because you wont have any hit/expertise. Blizzard also promised you wouldnt have to PVP for PVE and PVE for PVP anymore, a promise they have already broken.
i'm still hoping for a wrath/cata style comeback, this way is too alt unfriendly that makes me think about quitting for the very first time.
basically xcept lfr if your guild isn't big enough to do alt runs you are forced to do dailies to get something with valors, lol this sucks in a way only who have a life can understand.
The OP said it was commonplace that with every patch in BC and Wrath that a 5 man came out to help gear for it. This happened at the last patch in BC with Sunwell and the ToC and ICC patches in Wrath. Otherwise you had badge gear to help you catch up or you just had to do the tiers in order, which is what Blizz is trying to accomplish again. This is not a new concept nor design.
Now they focused on dailies and scenarios and ignored everything else, leaving those that LIKED farming 5 man dungeons with nothing to do.
Meanwhile, in TBC and Wrath they gave content for both (5 man farmers and people that didnt like to farm 5 mans) and they succeeded.
Yes, millions, they already started losing the same amount that cata lost initially.
Stop looking at optional content as required.
The way Blizz does it know, raiding it greatly cheapened for everyone. LFR is not even raiding, lets be honest. And the thrill for the hardcore players is greatly reduced knowing that everyone who can click a que button can do the same things they are.
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On topic -
I actually agree to some extent. 1st tier is fine, if you hit 90 you can use all your blue heroics plus a few LFR drops and Raid... but NOW in the second tier if you hit 90, there's a real barrier.
You can't raid in heroic dungeon gear, so heroics are only there to get your ilvl up to get into LFR and to get valor, there's no point running them for loot beyone this. BUT, you only have LFR random drops to actually gear, and if you cap valor each week, you can't even buy a new epic a week. (I KNOW you can get the reduced price old tier, but why would you, rather than just saving up another week to get a much higher lvl piece?)
It's a lot easier to come by charms and the drop rates make it a little easier, but if you want to gear up faster you still really don't have the option. You could spend 24 hours a day, 7 days a week playing but you're gated to how much you can actually progress at all in that Week time period. If you're not lucky with drops, it could take you months to get raid ready no matter how much effort you put in.
Maybe old valor gear should cost justice now, maybe you should be able to get more loot from LFR if you keep on running it, or maybe the Valor cap should be higher.
tldr: If people really want to put the time and effort into gearing as quick as they can it would be good as an option, but they're artifically gated to how much they can progress each week no matter how much time and effort they put in, and I think this is set too low at the moment.
Last edited by rogueMatthias; 2013-03-19 at 07:07 PM.
Catch up mechanics are for those that DIDNT play the previous content, so they are not as geared as the people that is doing the isle.
The PVP part is because PVP is beign used as a cacth up mechanic for PVE by almost everyone, since its the only way to have a reliable catch up. Then you have the DPSers doing 10k damage in LFR because they miss most of their attacks.
---------- Post added 2013-03-19 at 04:08 PM ----------
Everything you listed is not something a new player or a returning player without a gold bankroll has access to. Check this, I am trying to form a raid group because a lot of my local IRL friends play. In ICC I did the same thing so we could all play together. When I needed a DPS, I texted my friend and said "Stop running an alt and lets grind dungeons so you can come raid with us." He did, we did, and now my raid had a DPS. When I wanted to play with my brother, I called him and said "Hey, lets grind heroics and get you in enough gear to walk into ICC and tank for us.". We did and I did. This happened many times. In Cata we lost healers but someone had a shaman they were itching to play fully decked out in gear good enough to start with us without really holding us back. So boom, he switched toons and we continued to play.
Now in MOP, I am in the same situation. I called my brother who just got a computer back online and said "Hey man lets raid together like old times". So he gets his monk to 90 and boom. Now he has to run daily quests, now he has to run dungeons to get into LFR, now he can't get any good gear with valor because it's all behind dailies. He's been running LFR for two months and hasn't gotten enough drops to get into ToT LFR. He is a full time student with a job so he doesn't have time to log on and do daily quests and get his reputations up. And the worst part is all of the rest of us are geared up and honestly the idea of running old LFR shit we already did once and will have to do on our alts isn't appealing to us, it isn't even appealing to my brother who just wants to jump into ToT with him. So his only option is to go it alone or drag us along with him, which we're mostly willing to do but he isn't even willing to ask because he knows and we know LFR is boring as hell even when have a shot a gear, but without the gear carrot it's just unbearable garbage. He's a low key player, he mostly played to raid. He doesn't have 4-5 hours a day to spend running dailies scenarios and heroics. He never has. He has no gold, so crafted gear is out of the question for him.
All of the things you listed to paint my complaints as unreasonable are not options for him or any other player returning to the game or heaven forbid, coming in for the very first time.
And, all of the hurdles they put in gearing have cut my game in half. Because where I used to have 3-4 raid ready characters and I could hit pugs all week long on, now it's a struggle to even have two because of all the garbage people are happy to lap up and call content slowing me down so Blizzard doesn't have to spend money on the game, despite me paying $15 a month
Last edited by Mordredofmia; 2013-03-19 at 07:22 PM.
Don't confuse not getting anymore time spent on it for not having content at all. You want new 5 mans for the same reason Blizzard doesn't want to make new 5 mans - people get bored of them too quickly.