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  1. #101
    You don't need to do LFR in order to gear up for normal.

    Blizz has repeatedly stated that LFR is for people who want to see content without the time commitment. Their intent with LFR is not to use it as a stepping stone towards raid progression.

    Through professions and factions, you should be geared up fairly well for regular raids without even stepping once into LFR.

  2. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by smokii View Post
    they buffed drop rates in 5.0 LFR

    they put loads of elder charms into the treasure cache scenario (seriously, i got 16 from 1 run and also picked up another key last night)

    you also get elder charms from mobs on the isle of thunder

    they also nerfed 5.0 normal and HM raids by 10%



    gearing up through LFR is fine, it should be a LOT easier than it was pre-5.2

    also, long queues for LFR is just the way it is, i dont like having to wait 30 mins to get into a raid that's on the last boss - especially not when i need gear from the first boss, but 30 mins wait time (during which you can do dailies) is a lot easier than forming a guild, recruiting sensible raiders and trying to do normal modes. otherwise, queue as a tank or healer - tanks are always in demand for LFR and as such get much quicker queues.
    Watch out there are a few people here and on the official forums spreading misinformation about key drop rates. Blizzard has flat out said each character is guaranteed to get 1 per week with a chance at looting a 2nd key yet these people persist in claiming you might go weeks without seeing one key on any character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asthreon View Post
    It's just not the fact of LFR being made easier. It is the time constraint difference. In TBC/Wrath I could level and Alt and have him Current Tier Raid ready within a week or two, and begin enjoying actual Current Tier Raids on Normal/Heroic modes.

    It just took me a Month just to get my Monk to an Ilvl high enough to be able to do ToT LFR tomorrow.. using the same amount of time I used to use.
    Also whilst being declined from Pugs of Normal-Mode HoF and ToES, and being told by Guild Leaders that my gear wasn't good enough to raid with their core groups, even after destroying them in damage in Heroic dungeons etc.

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    What do people have against people being able to start late in an Expansion and experience the last patch straight away though?
    What we have now is a balance between TBC gearing and getting geared up within minutes of hitting lvl cap. Is it perfect? No but it is better than what we have had for a long time and no player with "time constraints" can honestly make the claim they are having a hard time gearing up. If they are then they are flat out ignoring the various things Blizzard put in 5.2 to make gearing easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dsfunctional View Post
    I don't mind the LFR Raid setup, but I would prefer if we could go back to these two things:
    1. Remove the weekly valor cap, just leave the 4000 cap. This 1000 a week shit it terrible, atleast bump it up to 2000 so you can purchase something useless once a week.
    2. Make the epic loot 100% drop chance for last boss in the heroic dungeons. I never understood why they removed that, the ilvl 363 gear is terrible.
    If valor gear is "useless" then why are you bothering with it at all?

  3. #103
    The only fear I have is that by the time te last raid of the expansion is out, the queue times of 5.0 and 5.2 LFR will be comepletely out of control and it will be impossible to gear up through LFR because MoP isn't as alt friendly as other expansions which could result in a lot less people running the older raids in some time, but I guess we'll see if that's the case in some time.

  4. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by madrox View Post
    Could be that they are different people? Unless you can show it's the same people complaining?
    On here and on the official forums it actually has been many of the same people. I would avoid making the claim it is all different people because a cursory glance at their post histories will quickly make you look like a fool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotsforyou View Post
    Ya, i really find Scenarios pretty boring.

    Would love some new dungeons this next patch. Preferably ones that are not an aoe fest.
    At best you will only get challenge modes but it seems as though the people who don't want an "aoe fest" rarely have the skill to do anything actually challenging or hard. In fact it seems as though they are simply parroting the same tired crap that gets trotted out on the forums on a daily basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crym View Post
    Fun? The challenge of doing content on the cutting edge? Anyone who's in it for the challenge, or just to have fun, wouldn't really care that they could cancel for a few months and then get the shinies easier.
    Well good thing those who want "challenging raids" aren't required to outgear the content making the main complaint in this thread a moot point.

  5. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by smokii View Post
    they buffed drop rates in 5.0 LFR

    they put loads of elder charms into the treasure cache scenario (seriously, i got 16 from 1 run and also picked up another key last night)

    you also get elder charms from mobs on the isle of thunder

    they also nerfed 5.0 normal and HM raids by 10%



    gearing up through LFR is fine, it should be a LOT easier than it was pre-5.2

    also, long queues for LFR is just the way it is, i dont like having to wait 30 mins to get into a raid that's on the last boss - especially not when i need gear from the first boss, but 30 mins wait time (during which you can do dailies) is a lot easier than forming a guild, recruiting sensible raiders and trying to do normal modes. otherwise, queue as a tank or healer - tanks are always in demand for LFR and as such get much quicker queues.
    Except my friend and I are STILL regularly getting double gold in 5.0 LFRs, the drop rates were not buffed enough. Playing alts right now is a nightmare.

  6. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by darklogrus View Post
    ZA/ZG were just rehashed dungeons which for the life of me I don't see how it fit in with the Cata theme. As for LFR, the problem is the ilvl curve, sitting in 463 ilvl, replacing 9 items with gear in the 476-491 ilvl range and I barely cracked the 472 mark. Thats with Chest, Hands, and Off Hand being crafted, and 3 pieces coming from Rep. With the other 3 coming from 5 weeks of Vaults, and 3 weeks of Hearts and Terrace and thats not even counting the coins used.
    You don't see how "rehashed" dungeons fit in with the theme of revamping Azeroth in Cata? Really?

  7. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by smokii View Post
    ... LFR as a catch up mechanic, it makes you raid to get raid gear...
    makes you raid, lol. LFR is as far away from raiding as riding your bicycle from motorcycling. The alibi-statement when they introduced LFR was "to see content" for people unwilling or unable to experience the raidcontent in a regular enviroment. And now it is the catchup mechanism with the big plus they dont have to spend time on 5-man content, which is already realy faint this expansion.

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    It was easy in 5.1, and it will be easy with 5.2. Playing catch up for the next tier, has always been easy since patch 3.0. Not sure how much easier it can get. It's in a good spot, I believe.

  9. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by Trops View Post
    The only fear I have is that by the time te last raid of the expansion is out, the queue times of 5.0 and 5.2 LFR will be comepletely out of control and it will be impossible to gear up through LFR because MoP isn't as alt friendly as other expansions which could result in a lot less people running the older raids in some time, but I guess we'll see if that's the case in some time.
    Hell, it's already bad enough as it is with Terrace LFR sometimes hitting an hour queue for my Hunter, can't wait until there are a zillion other LFRs out...

  10. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by Silverblade Paladin View Post
    Didn't ignore it at all actually, I was very hopeful for it.

    Thus far I have done all the LFR's, have gone through 27 Coins, AND have received 3 pieces of Loot, 2 of them being the same item from the same boss.

    Terrible drops ahoy. At least in the DS heroic dungeons Had I spent that much time in there I would have at least 9 pieces of gear.
    I have gone months without getting a drop in normal modes. A few weeks in LFR is absolutely nothing at all and again despite asinine claims of bad luck the drop rates in tier 14 LFR were increased and we can basically cap out on elder charms with very little effort. I'm sorry but I'm just not buying that gearing is remotely hard at all now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverblade Paladin View Post
    Of course it was easy in 5.1, you only need to grind dungeons to have the gear to be Ready for MSV, and grinding dungeons where you have no weekly cap on the amount you can run is Easy.

    Getting a fresh 90 now in 5.2 when most guilds have moved onto ToT and generally don't run previous content results in the Heroic->LFR MSV->LFR HOF->LFR ToES->LFR ToT, gear circus, Not really an Enigma, but I understand some people do have 12 hours a day to sink into WoW.
    I'm sorry but whether you grind LFR endlessly or grind heroics endlessly you are going to be grinding something endlessly. All you people are doing is nitpicking about where the grinding takes place.

  11. #111
    basicaly what the OP does is crying and whining about no new 5 mans where you can gear up in 2 days and skip t14

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    http://openraid.us/

    Run a few groups with people and make some real ID friends. Shouldnt be hard to gear up at all this way.

  13. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by Jijek View Post
    The problem with LFR as a way to catch up on gear is that more often than not you win shit you already have.. and then you use coins for extra shit you already have. The badge/justice/valor system allowed you to pick your upgrade. MoP valor system is the worst the game has seen. Rewards locked behind rep locked behind more rep is very bad design.
    Blizzard tried to provide an alternate gearing path but most of you screamed bloody murder over it. Honestly you only have yourselves to blame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totle View Post
    You don't need to do LFR in order to gear up for normal.

    Blizz has repeatedly stated that LFR is for people who want to see content without the time commitment. Their intent with LFR is not to use it as a stepping stone towards raid progression.

    Through professions and factions, you should be geared up fairly well for regular raids without even stepping once into LFR.
    And they have repeatedly said it is also a catch up method. They never once said LFR is only for people to see content. If that were the case, it would not drop gear.
    Last edited by Freia; 2013-03-12 at 05:36 PM.

  15. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by dokhidamo View Post
    I got two reasons to hate this, and I'll give you the short version. I'm organizing a lot of complaints with MoP and the death of fun for an exit essay. Yes, exit.

    1. Just another grind. In the old days you grind heroics, then you raid. Now you grind heroics, grind dailies, then grind lfr, then finally raid.

    2. Scenarios. They're coming for your heroics and raids. This easy Zerg rush content will soon be the new heroics, and raiding will be 5/10 man.
    If you don't like grinds you were playing the wrong game from the get go so don't go blaming Blizzard for that. Don't even try to claim we weren't grinding the same 3 5 mans over and over and over and over and over and over for well over 6 months in 4.3. I love how that was just fine and dandy and now all of a sudden it is the worst possible thing. I swear you people just want something to whine about.

    As for scenarios they are fine. Don't like them? Don't do them. Simple as that. Blizzard is still trying to figure out where they belong in this game and it isn't hurting anyone whatsoever that they exist. Cool it with the scenario hate unless you have an actual legitimate complaint about them (which you don't and I have yet to see anyone have one). The claim that scenarios are going to result in 5 man raids is just moronic. If you are leaving the game then in all honesty good riddance. You haven't seemed to have liked the game for quite some time even long before Mop was in beta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexanna View Post
    I think it is a precursor to the Death of 5 mans. Why design 8-10 5 man instances when they can just under tune the raid tier? Yep I can totally see them giving you the needed gear through leveling, and then making the next step LFR instead of a 5 man grind.
    Are we seriously going to pretend there weren't a lot of threads whining about grinding 5 mans? The state of the game today is a direct result of player complaints and proves beyond a shadow of a doubt you should be careful what you ask for because you might just get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeuseason View Post
    They are obviously promoting LFR and refuse to provide other means of 'gearing up' the exact same way we've been pigeon-holed into daily quest grinds for rep. And don't get me started on arenas....this is just a stage tho and it will pass for Blizz.
    You mean I imagined crafted 476/496 gear? I imagined faction tap world bosses that drop raid quality gear? I imagined Blizzard giving away elder charms like candy? Really? Are you sure you want to go with the whole "Blizzard is making people gear up in LFR" bullshit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pengalor View Post
    Except my friend and I are STILL regularly getting double gold in 5.0 LFRs, the drop rates were not buffed enough. Playing alts right now is a nightmare.
    Only because you are making it a nightmare. Why do you need to have all your alts as geared as your main? Why does it need to happen quickly? People seem to forget the reason why alts became popular was due to a lack of things to do and content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trops View Post
    The only fear I have is that by the time te last raid of the expansion is out, the queue times of 5.0 and 5.2 LFR will be comepletely out of control and it will be impossible to gear up through LFR because MoP isn't as alt friendly as other expansions which could result in a lot less people running the older raids in some time, but I guess we'll see if that's the case in some time.
    That is my concern too. I don't know how many segments LFR Siege of Orgrimmar is going to have but for the sake of argument, let's say three.

    That means sometime after 5.4 launches we will potentially have 12 LFR segments. Each one needs two tanks and six healers. These two roles are already causing quite lengthy queues. I can't imagine the queue time for MSV Part 1 at this point. As far as I know, if you only do LFR, you won't be able to skip these to get to the latest raid. That is not an exciting prospect for a late in the expansion alt.

  17. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by xanzul View Post
    On here and on the official forums it actually has been many of the same people. I would avoid making the claim it is all different people because a cursory glance at their post histories will quickly make you look like a fool.

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    At best you will only get challenge modes but it seems as though the people who don't want an "aoe fest" rarely have the skill to do anything actually challenging or hard. In fact it seems as though they are simply parroting the same tired crap that gets trotted out on the forums on a daily basis.

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    Well good thing those who want "challenging raids" aren't required to outgear the content making the main complaint in this thread a moot point.
    Did I say they were all different people? What my original comment replied to was the suggestion that people who disagree with Blizzard's decisions were one homogenous mass shifting their opinion just to be contrary against every design decision and "Blizzard can't win". To suggest otherwise would make you the fool.

  18. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by Contesto View Post
    makes you raid, lol. LFR is as far away from raiding as riding your bicycle from motorcycling. The alibi-statement when they introduced LFR was "to see content" for people unwilling or unable to experience the raidcontent in a regular enviroment. And now it is the catchup mechanism with the big plus they dont have to spend time on 5-man content, which is already realy faint this expansion.
    Oh come on now it is raiding, its the same as doing last tier pugs with current tier gear. You're just trying to nit pick and you're wrong lfr is raiding doesn't matter if you care to agree or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xanzul View Post
    Well good thing those who want "challenging raids" aren't required to outgear the content making the main complaint in this thread a moot point.
    I agree. I miss progression because people do stuff that they outgear since the rewards are still viable and it kills the enjoyment of actually doing things as intended. However, that doesn't mean there shouldn't be any "catch up" mechanics either. I didn't really start raiding seriously until BC, but getting new players, switching mains, and all that sort of thing sucked back then.

    There are a few good ways to remove the "kill this boss 50 times to get the one drop you need" feel of cutting edge progression (which is necessary to keep the really extreme raiders busy) without just handing the previous raid tier's rewards out to anyone who stumbles through a 5 man.

  20. #120
    The only real problem to gearing your character quickly for newer tiers is that valor gear still costs valor which has a cap. If it was jp you could chain heroics until you had enough points to buy last tier's gear. It also requires rep which would be bad for new players without 2x rep commendations.

    So the best way to gear up for a new character is basically the same as what everyone did at the beginning of the exp:
    Do dailies for factions that give you the best gear.
    Run dungeons for extra VP
    Run LFRs when you reach the ilvl for valor and gear
    Buy discounted rep gear

    They also have the option of getting carried for gear in old raids by their friends guild they joined or running openraid.

    So you wont really need to run lfr but it will probably be faster than if you didnt.

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