View Poll Results: Should the UK return the Parthenon Marbles to Greece?

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    209 53.05%
  • No, keep them in the Museum

    185 46.95%
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    Should the UK return the Parthenon Marbles to Greece?

    Question is pretty simple, in the British Museum are parts of a marble frieze from the Parthenon in Athens. They've been in British hands since the early 19th century when Lord Elgin made a deal with the local occupying power, the Ottomans, to either take the marbles or sketch them (there seems to be some argument as the original Ottoman decree is lost).

    So, should the British Museum return the marbles to Greece, or continue to display them in the UK?

    Here's a video of a debate regarding this issue on (I think) the BBC featuring Stephen Fry arguing for returning the marbles. I think Fry made about as open-and-shut a case as can be made. But let's see what the enlightened minds of MMO-C have to say about it.

    Last edited by atsawin26; 2013-03-13 at 10:36 AM.

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    if greece wants it back yes, i believe national treasures should be in their respective nations, unless said nation has an interest in destroying such treasures in which case they should be secured and preserved.

    Edit: also if you linked a video, its not working
    Last edited by Kurioxan; 2013-03-13 at 10:33 AM.

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    They can have them back if they want them that bad, if people aren't that bothered I see no reason to.

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    I don't know anything about this issue so I'd be interested in seeing the video that you didn't link?

    Edit -> 46 minutes is going to wait until I get home, sorry :P
    Last edited by obdigore; 2013-03-13 at 10:40 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurioxan View Post
    Edit: also if you linked a video, its not working
    Thanks for pointing that out, I forgot to link the video.

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    Unfortunately for your British bashing goals, last I checked there's a strong plurality in favour of returning it.

    Quote Originally Posted by atsawin26 View Post
    Brits don't like giving things they've stolen back.

    I rather thought this was a well-known trait by now. The Malvinas/Falklands, the Parthenon Marbles, Northern Ireland (let alone what they did to the whole of Ireland over the centuries).

    As swathes of Britain slowly turn into Britanistan, they have to hold on to whatever they can.

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    I don't really have the time to watch all of that video could someone sum it up for me please?

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    They need to return the Egyptian exhibits and everything. All of the plunder they gathered over the centuries has no place there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by semaphore View Post
    Unfortunately for your British bashing goals, last I checked there's a strong plurality in favour of returning it.
    Oh c'mon now, moving to the west I've gotten used to just a little bit of ribbing about Greeks. Apparently we're all lazy, homosexual, and possibly Ethiopian or Arab (just to recall the ones I remember off the top of my head) :P I can imagine it's ok to have a little fun with other nationalities in the same vein.

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    Quote Originally Posted by semaphore View Post
    Unfortunately for your British bashing goals, last I checked there's a strong plurality in favour of returning it.
    Yeah there is actually, been to the bristol museum and there was a lot of effort into returning relics and several points with questionaires to vote if they should or not, all very strongly in favour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atsawin26 View Post
    Oh c'mon now, moving to the west I've gotten used to just a little bit of ribbing about Greeks. Apparently we're all lazy, homosexual, and possibly Ethiopian or Arab (just to recall the ones I remember off the top of my head) :P I can imagine it's ok to have a little fun with other nationalities in the same vein.
    Despite all that you guys do make some good Yoghurt, so props :P

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    Im a bit torn on this subject, whilst it was given as a borderline illegal gift. Its not a bad thing to keep it in that brilliant museum, you know, keep diversity and stuff up. A Museum about soley British history would get a bit stale in Britain. Its a slippery slope.

    I kinda have a problem with what that guy said at the start, "Right a wrong". Yeah Britains done waay too many wrongs in its past, but the same has been inflicted onto this island as well (probably one of the reasons it had to make such an empire to begin with).

    I think a great solution that would help make some nice relations with Greece is to split the exhibition, and send half back, that way the Greeks have some of their culture to hold onto and we have some of theirs to showcase, or better yet, we could make a trade in exhibitions, as a good will gesture.

    I dunno, I always thought the idea of a museum was to show tons of cultural artifacts from across the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atsawin26 View Post
    So, should the British Museum return the marbles to Greece, or continue to display them in the UK?
    In principle yes

    However, having not kept up to date on the topic, is Parthenon not falling apart faster than wind and weather would make it due to smog and pollution?

    http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5...OgJ22WqjrkmNCw seems to indicate that this might be (have been) the case.

    Would the frieze be safer in Britain?

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    They should let the marbles have a referendum. If they say yes they go back if they don't say anything that means they want to stay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xarkan View Post
    In principle yes

    However, having not kept up to date on the topic, is Parthenon not falling apart faster than wind and weather would make it due to smog and pollution?

    http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5...OgJ22WqjrkmNCw seems to indicate that this might be (have been) the case.

    Would the frieze be safer in Britain?
    They just finished building a new museum near the Acropolis. I believe the reason is to move the more threatened pieces and friezes to be displayed in the museum.

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    I'd wait until Greece gets their shit together. Wouldn't be surprised if they auction off all their national treasures at some point in the future due to fiscal trouble.

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    HAHAHAHA

    They would prolly sell them back to us

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    Quote Originally Posted by Combooticus View Post
    HAHAHAHA

    They would prolly sell them back to us
    We wouldn't. Not at all. We might loan them to you, though. But even that would be better than keeping ill-gotten goods. Like Stephen Fry says in the video I linked, that's like if the UK had bought artwork from the Germans occupying the Netherlands pillaged from Dutch collections.

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    No they should not be returned. If they had not been rightfully bought and kept safe they would now be rubble or fertilizer, as would the Pergamum reliefs. Countries can void their rights to their own cultural heritage if they fail to care about it for more than 1000 years. The only argument here is greed thinly veiled behind a pretend interest in cultural heritage. I am surprised someone like Stephen Fry would feel this way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atsawin26 View Post
    We wouldn't. Not at all. We might loan them to you, though. But even that would be better than keeping ill-gotten goods. Like Stephen Fry says in the video I linked, that's like if the UK had bought artwork from the Germans occupying the Netherlands pillaged from Dutch collections.
    Im british i was making a joke that greece is so in hock that they would immediately sell the marbles back to us brits

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