In any case, for me, at least, you're wrong. I have lots of alts, but only one has been in LFR and that one only a couple of times. The rest have never run LFR. The only character I play is my main. It's the only character doing the new dailies, it's the only character running LFR and dungeons.
Putting all that aside, you're missing the larger point. The number of hours someone plays doesn't really apply to this discussion. I may play as much as I did when I was actively progression raiding, but I'm no longer held a willing hostage to a specific schedule. If I log on and just don't feel like doing anything, I can just log off. Before if it was a raid night, I'd have the responsibility to my guild mates to show up and raid. Just to emphasize the point again, it's not about hours played, it's about not having a set scheduled.
As far as LFR vs. 5 mans. I like both and run both. Pretty much mostly for valor, since I'm usually a victim of the RNG, even with extra rolls.
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Stating an opinion as fact does not make it fact. Opinions are not fact. So don't be stupid and make a fool of yourself by trying to pass off your opinion as fact.
I quit to play League of Legends. MoP forced me to do dailies. I hate dailies. There are more entertaining games out there, so they lost my business.
Now in the case of full on hardcore raid teams, yes they are pretty exclusionary but these guys are the pro level teams Unless you are well in tuned with the game and carry a high amount of skill you may not make it into these type of groups. That goes the same for any walk of life because some people are just on another level when it comes to certain aspects of life. I know our new society looks down on success and ability but the fact is that is only because of jealously. You jelly?
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EDIT: Dispensing with the guild part, you have the following:
Organised play: LFR queuing system.
Tactics: Try Elegon LFR with no tactics. Try Tsulong LFR with no tactics.
Effort: Prerequisite of 460/470/480 item level.
Flasks: Not required. LFR is balanced around not having flasks.
Food: Not required, though banquets are often placed by some.
Raid leader: There is one, but he wields less power than a Normal raid leader.
Loot Rules: Unique to LFR to prevent ninjaing.
Updating your status on WoWProgress: Can do it manually with your LFR clears.
Wiping on a boss for a couple of weeks: Garalon pre-nerf, Elegon pre-nerf, probably Horridon (although the post-wipe buff has started to eradicate this).
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I think it's more attrition than anything. Raiding is fun from time to time, but being in a perpetual schedule for a certain amount of hours a week is not fun. Sometimes people don't want to show up (other things to do,etc) and sometimes they just stop caring all together, or new content comes out that they does not make them want to raid with the same enthusiasm.
For instance when I was doing Ulduar and then Trial of the Champion (T9) came out I just did not care anymore and left a group of cool raiders but I was almost over joyed at that prospect given the free time it gave me.
Another thing with LFR now you can see the content and just do PVP or single player activities and you still aren't missing out on much. You won't get the fancy gear, but if you do LFR you don't need it anyways.
Raiding now can be done by basically anyone, at any time, as any role. And that is a lot more flexible and more in line with what people expect from games nowadays. I think the majority of people are perfectly satisfied with just doing LFR when they have a free 1.5 hours or so and then going back to doing whatever they want, without having to depend on 9/24 others to do what they want.
In closing I'd like to say that I do enjoy raiding, I like the challenges, it is just too damned time consuming for me personally. And I like to have a spontaneous schedule going forward while playing WoW and not missing out on content. Thanks LFR!
LFR is per definition raiding, just like normal and heroic mode. They are separate difficulties and not separate things, just like a normal 5-player dungeon is still a 5-player dungeon even though harder versions of said dungeon exist in heroic and challenge modes.
A Raid In world of warcraft is a group that is more then 5 people aka 10/25+ or in vanilla 40man's.
You saying that LFR is not raiding is stupid.
That would be like if someone who raided in Everquest came in here and said WOW raiding is not raiding since there is less then 100/200 people in the raid's "like EQ had"
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Yes we know it's calles "Raid" but no raider think it actually is.
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For anecdotal evidence, our raiding team which has struggled at times to field a full 25 players for the raid is now almost able to run a 10 man raid alongside our main 25 progression, our numbers have swelled that much.
So its all gravy for us