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    476 pvp weapon vs PVE weapons

    What level of PVE weapon would I need for it to be better than the 470? I'm going to start pvping on my druid as feral and am currently grinding full feral gear. I can probably get a PVE weapon easily atleast from last tier. so 489/496 but would the 470 with the pvp power be better?
    Last edited by momirmaster; 2013-03-11 at 11:33 AM.

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    The PvP Power far outshines anything else you'd get.

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    until you get enough honor for PvP weapon, the higher weapon damage the better for you
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    Good rule of thumb: treat PvP Power and PvP Resilience the same as a main stat (Agility).

    From there you should realise that no PvE weapon is going to be better than a PvP weapon for PvP in the forseeable future.
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    The amount of time this question gets asked...
    its quite simple PvP weapon > pve weapon.
    The weapon is where most of your PvP Power comes from.

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    Thats the only thing anyone can say is PvP weapon is always better than PvE. So explain this to me.
    - If my mainhand weapon is 497 fist weapon that has 11,000 top end.
    - My stat sheet shows main hand damage 20,789 - 25,958
    - I'm at 25% PvP power right now
    !! I change my mainhand outfor PvP 470 weapon
    - My stat sheet shows main hand damage 16,883 - 21,438
    - I NOW hove 34% PvP power........9% increase for those who can't do math

    ?? How the hell is ---> 21,438 + 34% = 28,726
    --- Better than ---
    ?? -----------------> 25,958 + 25% = 32,447

    Explain that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valac View Post
    The amount of time this question gets asked...
    its quite simple PvP weapon > pve weapon.
    The weapon is where most of your PvP Power comes from.
    That is the stupidest response i've ever heard, you have no numbers, or theory to back it up. 1, 1handed weapon give you 9% pvp dmg increase, 470 weapon top end is around 8,800 497 1h is around 11,300 in what world is 8,800 +9% = 9592 better than a strait 11,300? Please see my reply and explain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeanC1985 View Post
    Thats the only thing anyone can say is PvP weapon is always better than PvE. So explain this to me.
    - If my mainhand weapon is 497 fist weapon that has 11,000 top end.
    - My stat sheet shows main hand damage 20,789 - 25,958
    - I'm at 25% PvP power right now
    !! I change my mainhand outfor PvP 470 weapon
    - My stat sheet shows main hand damage 16,883 - 21,438
    - I NOW hove 34% PvP power........9% increase for those who can't do math

    ?? How the hell is ---> 21,438 + 34% = 28,726
    --- Better than ---
    ?? -----------------> 25,958 + 25% = 32,447

    Explain that!

    "Dude, PvP power is just better alrigth"


    ---------- Post added 2013-03-18 at 08:44 AM ----------

    That is the stupidest response i've ever heard, you have no numbers, or theory to back it up. 1, 1handed weapon give you 9% pvp dmg increase, 470 weapon top end is around 8,800 497 1h is around 11,300 in what world is 8,800 +9% = 9592 better than a strait 11,300? Please see my reply and explain.

    Count in on weapon damage. Lots of spells are calculated on weapon damage. So a lvl 500 pve weapon would be > then a 470 pvp one

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    And on the other hand many spells dont care about your weapon damage, some are just straight AP modifiers. For me as Warrior, 522 pve weapon is MUCH better than my 470pvp weapon. I think 502 is also better but not by much.

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    Malevolent Gladiator's Spellblade:

    +617 Stamina
    +411 Intellect
    +274 Critical Strike (0.46% @ L90)
    +5496 Spell Power
    +2385 PvP Power (9.00% @ L90)
    +274 PvP Resilience (0.88% @ L90)


    Disregarding the miniscule amount of Crit you receive from Intellect, and assuming PvP Power and PvP Resilience equal Spell Power in terms of weight we get:

    +617 Stamina
    +274 Crit
    +8566 Spell Power


    Nadagast's Exsanguinator:

    +832 Stamina
    +474 Intellect
    +335 Hit (0.99% @ L90)
    +320 Critical Strike (0.53% @ L90)
    +7408 Spell Power


    Yellow Socket
    Socket Bonus: +60 Intellect


    Assuming you place a Mystic Sun's Radiance in the Yellow Socket (+320 resilience), you get:

    +832 Stamina
    +335 Hit
    +320 Crit
    +8262 Spell Power


    In the end, the Malevolent Gladiator's Spellblade yields more "Spell Power" in a PvP environment, though whether the 304 Spell Power off-sets 335 Hit, 46 Crit and 215 Stamina is debatable. Tyrannical Gladiator weapons offset LFR ones by far, but LFR gear seems to be on par with Malevolent in terms of stat weighting.

    P.S.: For non-caster classes there is a high possibility that the raw damage increase from swapping from a Malevolent weapon to a LFR one off-sets any potential stat loss.
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    Thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Mortalomena View Post
    And on the other hand many spells dont care about your weapon damage, some are just straight AP modifiers. For me as Warrior, 522 pve weapon is MUCH better than my 470pvp weapon. I think 502 is also better but not by much.
    Makes sense, as a monk alot of my spells are based purely off Attack Power, not sure weapon dmg has anythign to do with anything for monk lol
    Finally I got a good answer to why i should DW PvP weaps instead of offhand pvp main hand pve

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    I wondered about this as well, so i tested it out:

    Just did a quick test on dummies with Nether Tempest (unbuffed and making sure no procs are affecting anything, etc)

    Using PvP weap+OH: 6046 pr tick
    Using PvE weap: 7162 pr tick

    The PvP weap+OH give me exactly 18% PvP power; 6046*1.18 = 7134

    So it would seem that they are extremely even, at least using NT as example.

    Apart from damage the stats I get are:

    PvE weap:
    1081 more hit
    1036 more haste
    0.2% more crit from int,
    872 more sta

    PvP weap:
    651 more crit
    1.3% more resilience

    Also tested frostbolt and icelance:

    Frostbolt:

    PvP: avg hit: 6127 * 1.18 = 7230
    PvE: avg hit: 7266

    IL:

    PvP: avg hit: 46837 * 1.18 = 55268
    PvE: avg hit: 55544

    So purely damage-wise, my PvE staff seems to have the slight edge. It also gives me a lot more secondary stats and stamina, while losing 1.3% resi.

    EDIT: I can even put a 320 PvP power gem in my PvE staff, making me lose 80int and 160 hit.
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