Does it bother anyone how most Orcs are evil, but are always painted as victims?

[Zodiark Son]

As I said if it wasn't the titans Azeroth as you know it wouldn't exist, but for what you're saying it seems you think the old gods are the good guys and Azeroth would be a much better place if they still ruled with their elemental lords?

And that tyr's story is a myth simply because it's a very old story and there's no documents that prove it for the people of Azeroth, however if you look up in the page you see Tyr is real as it says ''Tyr is one of the Titanic Watchers. He once resided at the Temple of Order''

AND...Algalon wasn't about to call for Azeroth's destruction just like that, he was sent to Azeroth after Loken's death because they feared the planet had been corrupted.

[Skytotem]

Algalon was moments away from calling down the cleansing fire to wipe out all life on Azeroth (a goal the Legion and Old Gods share). So we are "unfathomably evil" too? He's comparing the denizens of those countless destroyed worlds to the heroes of Azeroth, questioning if they were the same as us with feelings of NOT WANTING TO DIE. They never even considered that the inhabitants of those planets might have preferred living. Imperfection detected => wipe it out. They have no empathy for the people they kill. The Titans are genocidal psychopaths. Labeling their opponents as "unfathomably evil" just because they don't subscribe to the same sense of "order" is dehumanizing and the same kind of propaganda bullshit used to justify the worst acts in human history.

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Notice how the subject heading is "Myth"? A myth where humans idolize their gods. No bias there (/sarcasm). Nothing about that passage on Tyr can be taken as accurate.

All life? Like hell. What about the life on those planets they wiped out? Where was this benevolent nurturing and protection then? Or when they were about to wipe out all life on Azeroth?

1. Remember my 'zombie victim' analogy?

2. how about the fact that they explicitly interfere with worlds they've ordered only in places like Sholazar and such, if they were really as totalitarian as you make them out to be, why not have a bunch of titan watchers killing anything like the trolls or orcs that shows up, and enslaving the Alliance races and 'de-fleshiying' them the way Gearmaster mechazod did?

What about the honorable constructs like Thorim and Freya?

3. Again, Zombie analogy, we're infected, they don't WANT To do it, but they feel they have to in order to keep the rest of existence safe.

[Aquamonkey]

As I said if it wasn't the titans Azeroth as you know it wouldn't exist, but for what you're saying it seems you think the old gods are the good guys and Azeroth would be a much better place if they still ruled with their elemental lords?

And that tyr's story is a myth simply because it's a very old story and there's no documents that prove it for the people of Azeroth, however if you look up in the page you see Tyr is real as it says ''Tyr is one of the Titanic Watchers. He once resided at the Temple of Order''

AND...Algalon wasn't about to call for Azeroth's destruction just like that, he was sent to Azeroth after Loken's death because they feared the planet had been corrupted.

If it wasn't for the Legion on Azeroth, the Forsaken wouldn't exist. Doesn't make the Legion good guys.

Doesn't matter if it's based on a real guy. Nothing in the myth can be taken as factual. Heracles is a myth. He might have been based on a real guy, but nothing about his stories can be taken as factual.

What about all the other planets Algalon flagged for extermination? He didn't do any actual investigation there either. He even says as much.

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1. Remember my 'zombie victim' analogy?

2. how about the fact that they explicitly interfere with worlds they've ordered only in places like Sholazar and such, if they were really as totalitarian as you make them out to be, why not have a bunch of titan watchers killing anything like the trolls or orcs that shows up, and enslaving the Alliance races and 'de-fleshiying' them the way Gearmaster mechazod did?

What about the honorable constructs like Thorim and Freya?

3. Again, Zombie analogy, we're infected, they don't WANT To do it, but they feel they have to in order to keep the rest of existence safe.

Except they do it to indigenous races on their own planets. They don't even recognize that those zombies may have the will to live and be virtuous themselves. They wipe them out without even investigating.

[Skytotem]

What about all the other planets Algalon flagged for extermination? He didn't do any actual investigation there either. He even says as much.

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Except they do it to indigenous races on their own planets. They don't even recognize that those zombies may have the will to live and be virtuous themselves. They wipe them out without even investigating.

1. That is a pretty twisted interpretation of what he said... I don't know how you got that out of it.

2. Algalon is the investigator, he noted the planet had systemic corruption. We're the zombie bite victim, they know there are other races here but the risk to the rest of the universe is too great in their opinion.

[Aquamonkey]

1. That is a pretty twisted interpretation of what he said... I don't know how you got that out of it.

2. Algalon is the investigator, he noted the planet had systemic corruption. We're the zombie bite victim, they know there are other races here but the risk to the rest of the universe is too great in their opinion.

He never considered that the races he was flagging for extermination were sentient. How is that a twisted interpretation? Or would you prefer the interpretation where he investigated, found them to be sentient and ordered them to all be killed anyway?

Which is why he decided to give us the cancel code after the zombie infected creatures beat him?

[Skytotem]

He never considered that the races he was flagging for extermination were sentient. How is that a twisted interpretation? Or would you prefer the interpretation where he investigated, found them to be sentient and ordered them to all be killed anyway?

Which is why he decided to give us the cancel code after the zombie infected creatures beat him?

1. The "did they all love life as much as you?" stuff is figurative, you're taking it WAY too literally.

Algalon the Observer says: It is in the universe's best interest to re-originate this planet should my analysis find systemic corruption. Do not interfere.

The decision to re-originate worlds is again 'zombie analogy'

2. We demonstrate by beating him, something that shouldn't have been possible, that it might be possible for us to stop the corruption from affecting other worlds, so he lets us go awhile longer and continues to 'observe' he's still alive as is shown in some of those awful WoW comics, and thus free to blow the world to smithereens if it gets worse.

Think of it as if we are in one of those rare cases where zombification is not the result 100% of the time when people are bitten.

My point is the Titans do not blow up worlds 'for the lulz' or cause they hate icky organic things, they blow them up because they feel it's necessary.

[Aquamonkey]

1. The "did they all love life as much as you?" stuff is figurative, you're taking it WAY too literally.



The decision to re-originate worlds is again 'zombie analogy'

2. We demonstrate by beating him, something that shouldn't have been possible, that it might be possible for us to stop the corruption from affecting other worlds, so he lets us go awhile longer and continues to 'observe' he's still alive as is shown in some of those awful WoW comics, and thus free to blow the world to smithereens if it gets worse.

Think of it as if we are in one of those rare cases where zombification is not the result 100% of the time when people are bitten.

My point is the Titans do not blow up worlds 'for the lulz' or cause they hate icky organic things, they blow them up because they feel it's necessary.

Whatever their justification is doesn't matter. They are wholesale slaughtering innocent races across the cosmos to impose their sense of order on the universe. Anything that doesn't fit, gets exterminated regardless of its right to exist.

Utopia Justifies The Means
The Evils Of Free Will

[Skytotem]

Whatever their justification is doesn't matter. They are wholesale slaughtering innocent races across the cosmos to impose their sense of order on the universe. Anything that doesn't fit, gets exterminated regardless of its right to exist.

Utopia Justifies The Means
The Evils Of Free Will

Better they be incinerated in an instant and feel no pain then get their souls eaten by demons and old gods and suffer forever

[Lastlivingsoul]

Funny how you say "Shrouded by Poor circumstances"

That "Shroud" as you put it is people trying to forget the barbaric Murder, torture and destruction of every race they have come across, i.e. Wildhammers in Twilight Highlands, Draenei in Outlands, Nightelves in Ashenvale etc. They all were attacked in their homes dishonorably. Those doing the shrouding actively forget they are working alongside genocidal Supremists.

Also the "poor circumstances" are always the sober decisions of their corrupt leaders looking for more power. Nez'ul/Lich King, Gul'dan, and now Garrosh. The Fel Orcs rampage, the first Deathknights and the next Generation, and now the Kor'kron elite has turned into the new Gestapo of the Horde.

Thrall was the only one who made people see the "humanity" (for lack of a better word) of the Orcs seeking something else besides power. However he is the exception that proves the rule, Orcs are dumb dangerous and power hungry animals, just like some bad people in real life.

I for one hope that the Orcs will learn to say no to Garrosh for a change, instead of "I just following orders..."

Edit: Aside from that "Evil" has nothing to do with one's Race so this poll is bad.