One reason for WoW decline I often hear is that its an old game and naturally people get bored with it. But TV is much older and people still watch that. Surely if a thing you once enjoyed keept staying fun, you would still use it?
Yes, and when I was a newb I didn't realise raids = less xp so I used to just keep inviting people till no more could enter so we could finish it.
5 man scholo (b4 nerf) was a pain in the arse and yeah ppl wiped on rivendare even with a 10man raid!
Let us see, sunken temple the troll bosses. Where the tank had to keep check on two bosses plus be aware that the team could transform into a hulking dire troll was more to think on then anything else. Plus back then healers had to monitor their mana use, check their items that they had a good mana regen and over all dps had to be good. So in that aspect in comparison to Pandaria boss, there was a lot more to think about as your class knowledge. Now it isn't much things to think about? More tank and spank. Hell I can have a 30 min fight with a boss without healer having any problem keeping up. ( Even thought I think boss goes berserk before that. )
You get all items with armour and so on through simple quests among other things, all loots are specified to your class and it is not hard to choose right items. And as many said before, back then. Everything was new and that increased the level of difficulty. Now wow has gone for the more casual look which allows new players to easily get into it without any struggle.
Do you mean Darkmaster Gandling?
But yeah classic dungeons were challenging, they may not have had the most exciting boss mechanics in the game, but remained challenging none the less. Players who never got to experience older dungeons when they were relevant really have no idea how easy they have it nowadays. It's like a completely different game.
Also I think the reasons they were as hard as they were was because player health/damage/mana was in proportion back then, you couldn't just stand there and laugh it off as a boss chips away at your hp 1% at a time. Healers couldn't indefinitely heal you without ever having to worry about mana, if you pulled aggro you died etc.
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hmm during my time in tbc i went with my guild in RFC with 10 peeps.
it was a very nice officer meeting back then lol.
yes some of thos eplayers cleared the cleared the place cuz it was fun.
good ol days
My first dungeon was Blackfathom Deeps with 9guildies after only playing a week or two.
It was more confusing than having sex for the first time.
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Nobody was raiding any of the other 5 mans except for mindless fun back then. Scholo and Strat however were a different story when this game was less than a year old.
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If the question is aimed at him, why would you feel a need to twist his claims into a strawman? Completely unnecessary.
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1 wrong pull or fear/bodypull and u wiped, even with 10 man in strathholme
2 Grps of the elite packs next to the room of The Beast and wipe, also there was a reason for 1 hunter kiting the guards from General Drakkisath in 15man UBRS
yes it was fun
Amazing how the truth gets twisted when time passes by...
There was no such thing as a Deadmines raid, Scarlet Monastery, Scholomance, Stratholme, LBRS, or BRD raid. That did not exist as such, at no point in time.
The only thing that DID exist was that there was no gating block. You could form a raid and enter any 5 man dungeon in the game with it.
I honestly don't know if that has been fixed nowadays, or if you could still do it. I haven't tried.
As for the difficulty.... I call BS on that as well. They weren't that much more difficult. They just required more patience and discipline from a 5 man group.
Discipline because it was impossible to zerg, with the games mechanics in place. And almost all of them required a time commitment that was in raid range.
4 - 5 hours for BRD, not an exception. Deadmines.. Well there, you spent a good half hour to fight your way to the instance portal. Similar for Black Fathom Deeps, Mara, same thing.. There was a large portion of mobs to be killed before you've been rewarded with the actual instance entrance.
In short, any raid on 5 man dungeons was just trivializing the content for fun. Much like walking alone in any of these dungeons now with a level 80+
I remember deadmines raids too.
I was a total noob, when I first heard of this thing called "raid" I had to search what a raid was.
God this topic was just a magnet for pretending you played during early vanilla.
The mechanics, sure some are new and some are old. But they aren't really any difficulty that requires attention. Healer can usually heal over any damage given from bosses in instances such as Normal/heroic Jade serpent temple. And the whole Underlined sentence and that paragraph was in response to him seeing he was the one I quoted from above. And it was not a question it was a statement. I do not see much change in the bosses in comparison to Vanilla. And for being a such old games it is given that it is hard to introduce new functions into fights. Since you got design/code frames to stick within.
And those posts you quoted wasn't posted by that person. He wrote following, " I am happy they patched it to 5 man, what an error" and something else. Since there wasn't a lack of skill from players back then, it was lack of knowledge. Do remember that the internet was young and the amount of tutorials and such wasn't around back then. You relied on helping each other out.
So, not sure where you understood that I was twisting his claims? I simply told him that much has changed, I responded directly and also derailed to a small extent.
Lol, I remember doing just that in a way. This was back in TBC. A large portion of our guild (I can't remember how many) grouped up in a raid, took off all our armor, and ran through VC(yeah remember that name for Deadmines?) for shits and giggles. Raised our unarmed skills up by quite a bit too. I know my guild master recorded it, but I don't know if it ever got posted on youtube or anything. So yes, back then, it was possible, and quite amusing.