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    Quote Originally Posted by Kujako View Post
    Because we have for profit prisons, so people make money by locking others up.
    Can you expand on this, please? For-profit prisions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by artemishunter1 View Post
    We do have far more population than Europe. We do not have the cradle to grave welfare, thus more want. We have cultures that encourage or at least tolerates violent behavior. Liberal European nations are more likey to use plea to lower the degree of the crime (even if it not deserved, victims life is always cheaper than the murderer), thus lower punishment. Then there is the drug laws, which greatly skews the prison population.
    It's a rate per X population, so the size of the US population doesn't matter in the OP's graphic except inasmuch as you might make a comment about population density having an effect on crime rates. But then Europe is higher population density than the US IIRC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Moon View Post
    Can you expand on this, please? For-profit prisions?
    Exactly what it sounds like. Prisons run by private companies who get paid by the government to store prisoners.

    It's in the companies interest to store as many people as possible for as cheap as possible.

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    http://americandrugwar.com/

    This doc hits this topic hard. Mandatory minimums, privatized jails, non-violent offenders, etc basically in depth look at what the video above discusses.
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    Because we are too pussy to execute people when they are convicted and instead let them live for another 10 years.
    1/10, terrible troll. Count all the countries on the graph that execute prisoners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Moon View Post
    Can you expand on this, please? For-profit prisions?
    Prisons are often run by corporations, they make money by incarcerating people. Not only do they get paid by the Government with tax dollars, but they also get to put the inmates to work. If you get a telemarketing call, there is a good chance it's coming from a prison and the person you are talking to is locked up. This makes it so that there is money to be made by locking people up for the most petty of crimes. So the companies in question loby their representatives to be "tough on crime".
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    Well, the laws on the US are very bad.

    They prohibit the good drugs, and many other nice things.

    Also jailtime in the US is actually harsh, so people look up to ex-prison people, probably as much, if not more than people who were in the military.

    People can take it easy on the prisons of countries that are either more developed, or corrupt.

    It is clearly founded by the booty warrior right wing political machine.
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    1: "war on drugs"

    2: political points - being "tough on crime" wins elections, and earning that title means more jail sentences for more years

    3: a prosecutorial system that emphasizes numbers instead of judgement
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    I would say the Three Strike Rule has a lot to do with it.

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    But yeah, as mentioned above it's a mix of various factors, three strikes, the draconian drug laws, the need to be "Harsh on crime" and so on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kujako View Post
    Prisons are often run by corporations, they make money by incarcerating people. Not only do they get paid by the Government with tax dollars, but they also get to put the inmates to work. If you get a telemarketing call, there is a good chance it's coming from a prison and the person you are talking to is locked up. This makes it so that there is money to be made by locking people up for the most petty of crimes. So the companies in question loby their representatives to be "tough on crime".
    That's fucking scary, man. I knew that prisons were often ran by corporations and were a private business so to speak...but I had no idea they made inmates work like that. That's as close to slavery as one can get. Shit like that really rustles my jimmies.
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    the u.s also bases a lot of its laws on rare events rather than stats

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    Quote Originally Posted by artemishunter1 View Post
    We do have far more population than Europe. We do not have the cradle to grave welfare, thus more want. We have cultures that encourage or at least tolerates violent behavior. Liberal European nations are more likey to use plea to lower the degree of the crime (even if it not deserved, victims life is always cheaper than the murderer), thus lower punishment. Then there is the drug laws, which greatly skews the prison population.

    Though I do not know why it matter what amount of population we have in jails. Society as a whole makes the laws, deviants of the society always going to end up in prison for the breaking the laws. Nice way to not end up in prison is not to break the laws. Laws are already known (First time non violent offenders do not get prison)
    You sir! Are completely wrong. Europe has FAR FAR more population than U.S.A.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Europe (The population within the standard physical geographical boundaries was 731 million in 2005 according to the United Nations)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogra..._United_States (As of March 1, 2013, the United States had a total resident population of 315,533,000, making it the third most populous country in the world.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asseymcgee View Post
    That's fucking scary, man. I knew that prisons were often ran by corporations and were a private business so to speak...but I had no idea they made inmates work like that. That's as close to slavery as one can get. Shit like that really rustles my jimmies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asseymcgee View Post
    That's fucking scary, man. I knew that prisons were often ran by corporations and were a private business so to speak...but I had no idea they made inmates work like that. That's as close to slavery as one can get. Shit like that really rustles my jimmies.
    I'm not positive, but I am relatively certain I am right...Most inmate work programs are voluntary and a reward for good behavior. Even prisoners have rights.

    Again, if I am wrong feel free to correct me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poser765 View Post
    I'm not positive, but I am relatively certain I am right...Most inmate work programs are voluntary and a reward for good behavior. Even prisoners have rights.

    Again, if I am wrong feel free to correct me.
    Correct and wrong, there are work programs that are based on good behavior, and there are some that are mandatory. Just depends where you are imprisoned would be the best way to find out.

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