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  1. #41
    But..its still more cost effective to just level Blacksmithing the old fashioned way.

    It takes, what 9k Ghost Iron ore to get BS from 1-600? That's a DAMN lot of farming/gold needed regardless...I fail to see how that is catering to lazy/casual people. Its more catering to the people who have played the AH, have tons of alts already and are more hardcore players and giving them an easier time getting a new prof up.

    Or are people ignoring that process thought behind it?

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    Well I agree partly for the pvp gear. Back inn TBC when I made it to 1850, or 2k I was very happy. Even if I played as a restro druid/SL 2v2...

    I sucked anyway, so was happy when I had it.
    One reason for WoW decline I often hear is that its an old game and naturally people get bored with it. But TV is much older and people still watch that. Surely if a thing you once enjoyed keept staying fun, you would still use it?

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    You want a sign? World of Warcraft.

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    It's a game for fuck's sake. It's not supposed to be all work and struggle. Playing the game for hours on end by definition is lazy from the standpoint of your real life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eschaton View Post
    It's a game for fuck's sake. It's not supposed to be all work and struggle. Playing the game for hours on end by definition is lazy from the standpoint of your real life.
    Thank you for the new sig. I just lol'd so hard at this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destil View Post
    Thank you for the new sig. I just lol'd so hard at this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boxerlol View Post
    PVP- It feels like blizzard have dug a huge hole, adding pvp power and now in patch 5.3, they want to change pvp and give resilience to every single player. While i see this is another good change for casual players as well as the removal of the 2.2k boundary on gear. It kind of ruins the whole "special" feeling of pvp.

    TBC and WOTLK had a great pvp system i thought- rewarding players with gear when they reach a certain level for each set piece. This gave players who wanted to pvp something to aim for, something to achieve and feel proud of themselves. With a little time and effort put in on learning how to play, a lot of players would reach it. Now, i feel as though there is nothing to really aim for in pvp. It feels like daily quests- you have to cap every week to get to conquest point boundary where you can then buy the elite tyrannical gear( even this is being thrown away in patch 5.3).

    From these points, while nice for the casual player which i understand, it really makes this game feel a lot less rewarding, a lot less special and kinda disappointing

    Anybody else agree?
    This is history through rose tinted goggles or glasses if I ever saw it.

    Burning Crusade had HORRIBLE PVP rewards. I mean absolutely pathetic and horrendous.

    The honor cap was 75,000 and at the onset of BC a staff alone took 45,000 honor to purchase. Now I want to put that into some kind of perspective for people that are going to say weapons now are 3,500 on a 4,000 honor cap. Yes, they are. However during BC 45,000 would take 3 12-15 hour days of an AV weekend to accumulate 45,000 honor.

    To make things worse? You had to collect currency for various pieces. AV marks, Warsong marks, Arathi marks, EOTS marks. If your faction was horrible in your battlegroup at EOTS? Guess what, you're doing 25-30 EOTS matches to get boots. Trust me, I remember that number well and the item I had to play EOTS for. I was Alliance on Emberstorm in BC.

    Estimated honor versus awarded at server/daily reset time. Oh your log says you earned 18,000 honor. Guess what, that's estimated. Final calculations won't be done until 4-5AM then you'll know what you actually got. Played a lot of AV? Well that estimate was high, you actually have 15,000 honor. Yes, you mysteriously had 3,000 honor regularly vanish day, after day, after day. I shudder to think how much "estimated" honor I lost during BC.

    Conquest point rewards. Not 2200? You're going to walk around like a clown in last seasons shoulders. Likewise you had to wait until WEEKLY reset to collect your Conquest points and oh, guess what, there was no cap, it too was estimated and when servers came up after maintenance you knew if your estimate was right or too high. You may have capped on Wednesday but you ain't gettin' yer stuff 'til Tuesday.

    No thank you, there are about 10 different things I can say that were wrong about BC PVP gear acquisition, currency, scoring etc. It was not a great system.

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    very simple and easy to follow.

    majority - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/majority

    the quality or state of being greater.

    this represents the "lazy paying" players.

    minority - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/minority

    the smaller in number of two groups constituting a whole.

    this represents the "snowflake paying" players.

    Once the snowflakes outnumber the lazy then your opinion will matter.
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    In every way but 1 WoW has become easier.

    They've tried to counter-balance the decrease in endgame difficulty by increasing the time and pain needed to gear up.
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    If you dislike where WoW is headed in your mind, quit. Really. Sitting around complaining about "promises" that may or may not have been made isn't doing anything to help your cause. It's just making you look more and more like the constantly complaining and perpetually offended.

  10. #50
    Playing video games is a lazy activity in the first place. So by making video games you could say they are giving in to lazy players.

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    I disagree with the professions part. There's nothing fun about leveling professions in WoW, and I play WoW to have fun. Between my 4 level 90s one of them has 600 Mining, the next highest profession is Blacksmithing at like 220. I'd rather just not have professions than level them the way they are now, there's a difference between it being lazy and it feeling like a job. I don't get paid to play WoW, I'm not going to put in hours to level professions, because it simply isn't fun.

    Raiding is kind of whatever, LFR is good I guess, but I wish the gear was a lower ilvl so it didn't feel so required sometimes. It's painful a lot of the time because of how terrible other players are, but I do enjoy the new Throne of Thunder outside of LFR.

    PvP I agree with what you said 100%. My favorite PvP season was I think 7 when they had each item require a rating. At like 1350 you could buy bracers, then at 1450 you could buy boots, 1550 was gloves, etc. I felt that that was the best way to do it, because it made earning rating be beneficial in a different way than just getting more points. That being said, I do agree with them removing the 2200 requirement for Elite gear, because I don't think that there should be that massive of a gap between 2199 and 2201 just because the weapon hits twice as hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eschaton View Post
    It's a game for fuck's sake. It's not supposed to be all work and struggle. Playing the game for hours on end by definition is lazy from the standpoint of your real life.
    I was on vent with a couple of buddies last week, watching the new round of gsl tournaments for sc2. One of the kids in vent along with us remarked that "north american players just don't have the work ethic like their asian brothers". I immediately responded yea cause it's not a fucking job you git it's a game. But that's what these people want. They want Blizzard to take the experience of being a McDonalds crew trainer and bringing into Warcraft and they think that will save warcraft. It's retarded and what's more retarded is that the developers have listened and CAVED TO THIS to a degree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eschaton View Post
    It's a game for fuck's sake. It's not supposed to be all work and struggle. Playing the game for hours on end by definition is lazy from the standpoint of your real life.
    Oh haha, I also laughed so hard, this is so accurate beyond belief.

    Quote Originally Posted by Destil View Post
    Thank you for the new sig. I just lol'd so hard at this.
    Mind If I nab it too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Glitch View Post
    Mind If I nab it too?
    Feel free. I didn't copyright it or anything
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  15. #55
    I find it funny when people say "lazy players".
    Wow is not a job. People shouldn't need to swet blood and tears to get a bunch of pixels. The laziest I can be, the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eschaton View Post
    Feel free. I didn't copyright it or anything
    You should! Then we could just drag it out whenever folks start yelling about being lazy for wanting QoL changes

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    Wow has always been the most casual friendly MMO since day 1. When you compare it to Everquest and FF11 for example, you didn't need an xp party just to level. However, they accelerated the NERF process at the end of Burning Crusade ever since someone wrote that 1% of the population ever saw Sunwell. It's not something that started with the pandas, but I guess it's a lot more noticeable than ever. It's an irreversible process sadly. Remember the whining in 4.1?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eschaton View Post
    It's a game for fuck's sake. It's not supposed to be all work and struggle. Playing the game for hours on end by definition is lazy from the standpoint of your real life.
    This game would not even hold a candle against some others in terms of grind, but i agree its silly calling certain people lazy while playing a game for refusing to put in effort.

  19. #59
    Yeah I remember the days of WoW when you had to make groups to kill elite mobs because they were basically your only source of xp. I remember raids and dungeons being uninstanced with anybody free to roll in and mess up your boss kill. I remember the days when anyone could gank you and loot from you. Happy days indeed. Oh wait, wrong game, and even that game which had those nerfed or changed many of the features which made it so more "hardcore"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atrahasis View Post
    I was on vent with a couple of buddies last week, watching the new round of gsl tournaments for sc2. One of the kids in vent along with us remarked that "north american players just don't have the work ethic like their asian brothers". I immediately responded yea cause it's not a fucking job you git it's a game.
    To be fair, it is a job to the gsl players .

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