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  1. #341
    Quote Originally Posted by Rucati View Post
    LFR seems to get better over time.

    However, I'm one of the people that just wants to get it done and get out of there ASAP.
    well who doesn't? I mean, no one wants to wipe (griefers aside).

    There's nothing fun about doing a raid with 24 other people you'll never see again. Raiding is fun because of the social aspect. LFR is just a chore that needs to be done...
    You don't NEED to do it. You choose to. Own the choice. If it's really bringing you down, wait a few more weeks (I agree with you that it gets better over time).

  2. #342
    Quote Originally Posted by clevin View Post
    well who doesn't? I mean, no one wants to wipe (griefers aside).


    You don't NEED to do it. You choose to. Own the choice. If it's really bringing you down, wait a few more weeks (I agree with you that it gets better over time).
    It's actually pretty interesting to run LFR ToT when people are confused about what to do.

    That confusion includes normal mode raiders who know "the way to do it" without knowing it's not the LFR way to do it.

    ToT LFR has been fun for me so far. Usually takes a couple of attempts per non-Jinrokh boss, and World of Trashcraft is annoying, but whatever.

  3. #343
    To the original question, I'll just represent my answer as a metaphor from a favorite web comic and I strongly suggest people change their behavior.

    In short: Saying 'what kind of an idiot doesn't know about the Yellowstone supervolcano' is so much more boring than telling someone about the Yellowstone supervolcano for the first time.

    Translates into: Saying 'what kind of an idiot doesn't know how to do this LFR Boss' is so much more boring than telling someone about the LFR Boss for the first time.


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    Last edited by Psyche; 2013-04-01 at 11:21 PM.

  4. #344
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akraen View Post
    Imagine if you had a higher chance to win an item based off your performance as a team. Perfect fight execution could result in a 75% to roll for loot instead of gold, or something.

    Could have a series of mechanic checks (or like, less than 3 people die to eye sore). Downside is people could turn viciously negative. Upside is there would be clear incentive to learn to play and prepare even at an LFR level.
    I'd like this, but the negativity it'd cause wouldn't be worth it at all. The shaming and blaming would be epic. It'd be a lot more realistic to make it let you win a few Mogu Runes of Fate once per week if said thing is performed, so people can't be locked out of earning it in a bad run, and the reward won't be so important that people won't go nuts over not getting it.

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    In GW2 you get rewarded by how much effort you put into Events. I don't understand why this would be a problem in WoW.


    Quote Originally Posted by Maleric View Post
    LFR probably isn't good for the game's long term health. It creates a layer of shit at max level that's likely to turn people away from raiding. Once a player has seen the raid/gotten the loot/dealt with raging jackasses in LFR, they're less likely to go for actual raiding. Especially if they're new and don't understand that the LFR experience isn't really comparable to the experience of doing a raid on normal/heroic. This isn't good for the game, because LFR isn't engaging enough to keep people playing long term. So while LFR provides engaging short term content, I doubt it does much to turn people in to long term subscribers, and actually probably makes people less likely to get in to raiding.

    Also, LFR doesn't exist in a vacuum. Tier fourteen was time-wise extremely short, which impacted the normal/heroic content, and I think this was mostly because LFR content doesn't stay fresh anywhere near as long as normal/hard modes.

    As far as fixing LFR, that's really never going to happen. LFR wouldn't work if it didn't involve groups of strangers and super easy content, and there are no penalties to prevent people from acting poorly in that situation. People behave at the level they need to.
    I know. Plenty of threads here for the last couple of years about how awefull the LFD/LFR experience is. They won't change it obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clevin View Post
    How about this? Accept that LFR is always going to be a mix of good players who are doing it for VP or the odd chance at an upgrade outside of their normal raid, good players who can't do a regular raid schedule, average players who aren't going to light up the meters but are doing fine for what LFR is, new people who are learning to do their role in a raid setting and poor players/AFKers, etc.

    Just deal with that. Accept that it's not going to be as fast or as clean as most good raid guilds and that there will likely be wipes or silly things, especially as people see the fights for the first few times. Sure, people SHOULD watch videos, but they don't. Again, accept that.

    Or, if all of that really bothers you STAY THE HELL OUT OF LFR.

    I'm not excusing the AFKers and really bad people but frankly the people who annoy me are the whining little epeen strokers who, after a wipe, rant about how easy it is and how everyone else sucks. Take some personal responsibility - if it hurts you, stop doing it.
    I can say and do whatever I want in LFR. You should accept that. If you don't like it then you should STAY THE HELL OUT OF LFR.
    Last edited by Gilian; 2013-04-02 at 09:43 AM.

  6. #346
    Quote Originally Posted by schwank05 View Post
    All you need on that fight is a Tank, they will do 4-700K dps and also top healing meters, Dont waste time on CC, or an OT just go in one tank and all heals focus them, and aoe the boss dead. Pally tanks are especially epic on that fight.
    This could be translated to: all you need is non-retarded people. Sadly, that rarely happens in lfr. Anyways, as a dps you can only do so much in lfr really.

  7. #347
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilian View Post
    I can say and do whatever I want in LFR. You should accept that. If you don't like it then you should STAY THE HELL OUT OF LFR.
    Totally and completely missed the point. Here it is again, in smaller words...

    LFR is what it is. It's not going change much. 25 random people thrown together for just that instance. No vent. Some good people, some bad people, many in between. Some have seen the fight. Some, not. Others only once or twice.

    If you can't deal with that, don't do LFR. But complaining about what it is over and over, saying you hate it and then continuing to run it is (big word... ) masochistic. Much of the negative about LFR is from people bitching out others if the raid wipes even once.

    LFR doesn't really need to change much. Peoples' attitudes, however...
    Last edited by clevin; 2013-04-02 at 07:40 PM.

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