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    Maybe MoP isnt for me

    Hello champs, while playing today on my second 90, my dk, I came to the realization, or fully came to terms with, the fact that in order to get the best gear one has to put a lot of TIME into the game, time I just dont have anymore. Once you get full 463 heroic gear, you face a giant brick wall of time. Heroics were easy as hell, died maybe once in all 20 or so. Got LFR ready in a day and stepped in as a tank for the first time. Did the first two raids and didnt die once (not to show off my mad skills, just to show how easy they are) and got a chest piece and a belt. Bought a trinket, did sha to get the boots and did gal. Now I can either poor a few hours into dailies to get out-dated gear and valor to get, again, out-dated gear or not do dailies and slowly grind through LFR, which at this rate would take 2 months to get into normal MSV/HoF/TOES groups. Then, assuming those groups would take an inexperienced person, I would spend a few months trying to get to 500 where I could finally do ToT! woohoo... only 6 months behind at this point and havent spend a tone of time just trying to catch up. Maybe its just me, but I honestly dont feel like putting this much effort into the game anymore. Call me lazy and what not, but Im sure im not the only one that feels this way with MoP. Dont even get me started on PVP...
    Maybe I should just take a break, but damn this makes me sad.

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    Getting prestigious things in a game takes TIME INPUT? What!?
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    Well, thats kind of the mechanics of Wow..
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    where do you want this ilvl 500+ gear to come from then exactly?

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    Wow is old, people get sick of old things. Its life, no matter what blizzard does they can only satisfy so many people. If you are a veteran player you have pretty much seen everything unique blizzard can do to this game.

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    It isn't for alot of people so I wouldn't feel to bad if I was you. All my friends left and it's basically me logging on less and less every day. You aren't lazy the developers have just failed to make content that appeals to you. Nothing is rewarding enough. Everything is a time sink and little of it is actually challenging. It's a nightmare and a mess.
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    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsz View Post
    Getting prestigious things in a game takes TIME INPUT? What!?
    OT but.... I like that you play on Magtheridon, that was my first server a long time ago...

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    You have 2 90 but no time ? Do not understand...

    Two old friends who stopped wow mid cata came back two weeks ago. They leveled 85 to 90 in one week, and this evening they were doing ToT LFR (aka they are at least 480 each, after 2 LFR ID). They play really casualy (maybe a bit more for their leveling) hardly did any dailies ouside the new island, never capped their valor points (I don't think they even bought something with) and they are still in the last tier of content.

    I really can't see how it could take you "months" to be fully LFR T14 with some LFR T15 and 1-2 piece of 522 rep gear, with the new LFR droprate.

    A other thing I can't understand : you have no time to gear, but you want your gear for real raiding ? Where will you find time for raid then ? If you have some time-slot for raiding in your free time can't see how you couldn't farm some gear in the same space.
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    There is a nice npc on Isle of thunder that sells ilvl 522 gear, dont spend your valor on anything less
    With little luck (Just little rly) u can hit ilvl500~ in a month after hitting 90.

    Blood spirits and Sha crystals getting cheaper by the day, makeing crafted 496 so damn cheap now.

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    Doesn't take months to progress through LFR. My brothers both came back to the game and are right on my tail. One of them got some PvP gear to progress faster and has reached ToT in like 2 weeks. My other brother is at 473 and will probably be in ToT soon enough but he is a completionist and is catching up on the rep grinds.

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    Quit. Blizz will only change things if they see people leave.

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    You are really exaggerating the amount of time required to get into ToT. Assuming that you are a solid player most guilds progressing in normal will bring you if you are above 490 (hell, I even pugged the majority of it with a few people in 490 gear the other day) and this is something anyone can achive in a week or two:

    You can easily get to 470 doing msv lfr+pugging it (if you act a bit convincing joining a msv pug with below 470 ilvl isn't difficult). With 470 you get into hof+terrace lfr which easily gets you to 475+, you can then pug hof and terrace and you are at 480, tot lfr. That combined with sha, galleon, oonadasta (these 3 will obviously help the previous steps too) and jin'rokh (pugging the first tot boss is a complete joke) will get you to (or close to) 490. As an added bonus you'll also be able to pick up a 522 piece from valor after at most a week. This isn't an exaggeration or something you need amazing rng/luck to achive, with the 10% nerfs, increased drop rates and close to unlimited coins (the key run will yield you ~15 charms even if you are poorly geared) it's simply normal. This is with me entirely excluding reps, bmah and crafting which can get you there even quicker.

    If this is too much for you to do (it doesn't have to be within a week, you can obviously do these things over a month) I guess mop isn't for you, but then I doubt the previous expos or leveling two characters to 90 was for you either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cookie View Post
    You are really exaggerating the amount of time required to get into ToT. Assuming that you are a solid player most guilds progressing in normal will bring you if you are above 490 (hell, I even pugged the majority of it with a few people in 490 gear the other day) and this is something anyone can achive in a week or two:

    You can easily get to 470 doing msv lfr+pugging it (if you act a bit convincing joining a msv pug with below 470 ilvl isn't difficult). With 470 you get into hof+terrace lfr which easily gets you to 475+, you can then pug hof and terrace and you are at 480, tot lfr. That combined with sha, galleon, oonadasta (these 3 will obviously help the previous steps too) and jin'rokh (pugging the first tot boss is a complete joke) will get you to (or close to) 490. As an added bonus you'll also be able to pick up a 522 piece from valor after at most a week. This isn't an exaggeration or something you need amazing rng/luck to achive, with the 10% nerfs, increased drop rates and close to unlimited coins (the key run will yield you ~15 charms even if you are poorly geared) it's simply normal. This is with me entirely excluding reps, bmah and crafting which can get you there even quicker.

    If this is too much for you to do (it doesn't have to be within a week, you can obviously do these things over a month) I guess mop isn't for you, but then I doubt the previous expos or leveling two characters to 90 was for you either.

    It's not an exaggeration. It took me roughly 2 weeks to get into tot lfr but that was only because I got carried through the first tier to get gear. If not I'd still be at it. The first week of lfr gave me literally NOTHING and i was left with grinding justice points for pvp gear. The second week of lfr likewise granted me NOTHING but normal raids paid off and I got carried hard. Even with getting carried it took me like 2 weeks. Potentially I would be looking at 3-4 weeks to see the new raid. It's crap.

    It isn't to much to do, it's just gated to hell and back. Remove SOME of the gating and bring back some of the reward and all of a sudden it becomes not to much to do. Other than that I agree. Leave the game. Hopefully enough folks do and we see some serious changes coming down the pipe line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsz View Post
    Getting prestigious things in a game takes TIME INPUT? What!?
    Provided that you find paying 15 bucks a month for rare pixels and stats as "prestigious". :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    It's not an exaggeration. It took me roughly 2 weeks to get into tot lfr but that was only because I got carried through the first tier to get gear. If not I'd still be at it. The first week of lfr gave me literally NOTHING and i was left with grinding justice points for pvp gear. The second week of lfr likewise granted me NOTHING but normal raids paid off and I got carried hard. Even with getting carried it took me like 2 weeks. Potentially I would be looking at 3-4 weeks to see the new raid. It's crap.

    It isn't to much to do, it's just gated to hell and back. Remove SOME of the gating and bring back some of the reward and all of a sudden it becomes not to much to do. Other than that I agree. Leave the game. Hopefully enough folks do and we see some serious changes coming down the pipe line.
    So you got absolutely nothing from two weeks of msv+hof+terrace lfr, with massively increased drop rates and 15 elder charms/week? I could go ahead and calculate the odds of that once I wake up, but hopefully you realise that the chance of this happening is basically non-existant. Also worth mentioning that you aren't getting carried in msv with 450-460 ilvl/hof with 470 ilvl, assuming that you know what to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cookie View Post
    So you got absolutely nothing from two weeks of msv+hof+terrace lfr, with massively increased drop rates and 15 elder charms/week? I could go ahead and calculate the odds of that once I wake up, but hopefully you realise that the chance of this happening is basically non-existant.
    Yea. "Massively increased drop rate" is a fucking joke but it also isn't a guarantee of a drop. The chance of not getting a fucking thing is not "basically non existent" because it happens all the time. By all means go ahead and factor it because it really isn't as minuscule as you think it is. You've also assumed the guy even had charms to begin which basically means investing even more time in daily quests or pet battles. You also don't factor that the guy POTENTIALLY has something already better in that slot. Since loot isn't "smart" his Ilvl isn't raising up and he isn't getting into TOT anytime sooner. In other words, get lucky, get carried or run them dailies.

    Even if you get ONE PIECE your still not anywhere you need to be to get to TOT. Catch up based around RNG is absurd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    It doesnt take that long to gear up as you say. I have four lv90s all ilv480+ and several toons that are lv85+ and I hardly play more than a few hours a day and some days I dont even play at all.

    Just queue for lfr while doing dailies for rep/valor/lucky loot charms and boom, your time is being used effectively.

    Also, you only need a ilv of 480 for LFR ToT, not ilv500, dont know where you got that number from.
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    On my pally I went from 461 IL to 480 in two weeks. Some pvp gear helped, Just make sure you do the Troves of the Thunder King scenario once a week get like 8+ elder charms and run your LFR's. Got my 4 set within those 2 weeks + my sha touched. Obviously your RNG could be completely different from mine.

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    I got from 453 to 482 in a week. Started on a monday, did all the LFR raids in one day (took maybe 4 hours, tops), then after they reset on Tuesday did them again here and there as the week went on. Got four drops in my second ToE, bought the necklace from Shado-pan.

    That's all it took for me to get geared enough for ToT LFR, which drops ilevel 500 gear IIRC. I haven't tried it yet, though. I'm going to wait a couple weeks so it's not just groups full of people still learning the raid and wiping on every fight.

    Today I got my Sha-Touched Weapon, so I'm just working on collecting the remaining Sigils and the remaining tier 15 set pieces.

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