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  1. #421
    Quote Originally Posted by Skytotem View Post
    Thing is, they were strangely attacking everybody rather than fortifying or uniting, they were attacking bambala and the alliance place which is... -weird- given that you'd think the Zandalar would be smart enough for diplomacy.
    Well actually i think it was all just shitty writing fron Blizzards part. They wanted to re-introduce two beloved instances and then quickly wrote some stupid story around it and done. "It's Trolls, people love troll dungeons, don't bother with creating a believable story. Just let them attack everyone and copy+past Vol'jin to Stormwind harbor then everyone will be happy. And after you are done help us with Firelands."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skytotem View Post
    Which strikes me as dumb writing on blizz's part, you'd think some members of those other tribes would stop and go

    "Wait, attacking the world's two entrenched superpowers AT THE SAME TIME might be a bad idea" and be receptive to Vol'jin inviting them into the Horde, because frankly, he can't really -afford- to just leave them, they're the vast majority of his race, his tribe is small, and they could use the powerboost.
    Yep. They attacked both sides at once because both sides needed a reason to go into the dungeons. That's it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yriel View Post
    Well actually i think it was all just shitty writing fron Blizzards part. They wanted to re-introduce two beloved instances and then quickly wrote some stupid story around it and done.
    They wrote a story though, and it is even fairly complex *overall* in comparison to many "hook" ideas. Most dungeons, we have no business being in at all until some guy randomly decides we look like the Adventurers for the job! The re-vamps of the Zuls was something that allowed players who had never been to them before to experience the raids in a convenient size, the storyline itself suffered only because players with crazy faction-pride (many of us) would have been butthurt if the Horde was the only faction that got the quests.

    If you want to call it bad writing, be my guest, that is the beauty of the internet.

    Here is an experiment, make a story - approx. 500 words - that meets the following criteria:
    - There is an evil bandit who robs from the rich and gives to the poor.
    - There is a evil bandit who steals and sells women and children as slaves for the rich.
    - There is a dragon that attacks the rich and the poor.
    - These bandits must come to the aid of their people.
    - Both Bandits must survive and succeed, though neither can meet the other while on their adventure.

    I await the masterful tale of redemption and absolution in the eyes of both peoples that you can spin (convincingly) in less than 500 words.
    Quote Originally Posted by melodramocracy View Post
    Gold and the 'need' for it in-game is easily one of the most overblown mindsets in this community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venziir View Post
    And I think you are too lazy to look for the sources, lack common lore knowledge and aren't paying proper attention to the story.
    To be fair, if you're making such a claim in a discussion like this, you should be prepared to offer sources when asked to. Otherwise you are not in much of a position to argue.

  4. #424
    Quote Originally Posted by Skytotem View Post
    Where is this "Dead or enslaved" bit coming from?
    Where is it not coming from? Limited resources and they want them all for their race.

  5. #425
    Quote Originally Posted by Anjerith View Post
    I await the masterful tale of redemption and absolution in the eyes of both peoples that you can spin (convincingly) in less than 500 words.
    I'm not a writer so i have to disappoint you. But i think you got it all wrong anyway. My problem with Blizzards writing in this case is not the prosa, it's that they (ImO) had a beloved character and a well known and up to that point peaceful faction act against their characterization just because they needed a hook for their dungeons and Vol'jin was the easy way.

    Either way, you may like what Vol'jin did or not, i just wanted to say that it's not just a case of people wanting to see heroes die, at least in the case of Vol'jin i think i have a pretty good reason of wanting to see him dead or removed (or, my favorite, as a prisoner of the Zalandari ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yriel View Post
    I'm not a writer so i have to disappoint you. But i think you got it all wrong anyway. My problem with Blizzards writing in this case is not the prosa, it's that they (ImO) had a beloved character and a well known and up to that point peaceful faction act against their characterization just because they needed a hook for their dungeons and Vol'jin was the easy way.

    Either way, you may like what Vol'jin did or not, i just wanted to say that it's not just a case of people wanting to see heroes die, at least in the case of Vol'jin i think i have a pretty good reason of wanting to see him dead or removed (or, my favorite, as a prisoner of the Zalandari ).
    Sounds pretty stupid to have a character killed because you didn't like the way a certain faction went. Sounds spiteful to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by delus View Post
    Where is it not coming from? Limited resources and they want them all for their race.
    The rallying cry of the trolls throughout this whole arc has been to reclaim their land or secure a new homeland, not global conquest or the enslavement of other races.
    You are now future Jack Noir.

    Presently, you are trapped in a single moment, which increasingly feels like an eternity. Your boredom is surpassed only by your all consuming rage and contempt for existence itself.

  8. #428
    Quote Originally Posted by Yriel View Post
    I'm not a writer so i have to disappoint you. But i think you got it all wrong anyway. My problem with Blizzards writing in this case is not the prosa, it's that they (ImO) had a beloved character and a well known and up to that point peaceful faction act against their characterization just because they needed a hook for their dungeons and Vol'jin was the easy way.

    Either way, you may like what Vol'jin did or not, i just wanted to say that it's not just a case of people wanting to see heroes die, at least in the case of Vol'jin i think i have a pretty good reason of wanting to see him dead or removed (or, my favorite, as a prisoner of the Zalandari ).
    Or maybe blizzard works on storylines more than one expansion at a time and it was the first step in a planned story arc with the Zandalari, with us gaining new information down the road in MoP. I have no trouble believing that after having their comfortable homeland shattered they'd turn to uniting the dwindling troll empires and trying to restore their people to glory rather than a slow extinction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Florena View Post
    Or maybe blizzard works on storylines more than one expansion at a time and it was the first step in a planned story arc with the Zandalari, with us gaining new information down the road in MoP. I have no trouble believing that after having their comfortable homeland shattered they'd turn to uniting the dwindling troll empires and trying to restore their people to glory rather than a slow extinction.
    Thing is, in Cataclysm, BEFORE that patch, we worked with the Zandalar to -stop- Gurubashi expansion.

    EDIT:

    http://www.wowpedia.org/Chabal

    The Gurubashi are dead, and Hakkar with them. Most of my fellow Zandalar have returned to their homeland. It falls to me, Maywiki, and the Darkspears of Bambala to watch over Zul'Gurub now.
    http://www.wowpedia.org/Surkhan


    The Skullsplitters are an embarrassment to the troll empire. Their petty squabbles with the Bloodscalps have torn Northern Stranglethorn apart. Where tribes like the Darkspear and the Zandalari thrive, the Skullsplitters fight over ruins.
    I have been authorized to issue rewards to mercenaries who are willing to deliver punishment to the Skullsplitters. I encourage you, and anyone you know, to travel south to Zul'Mamwe and cull their wayward tribe.
    Everything suggested they were friendly with the Darkspear, and that this 'sinking Zandalar' thing was developed as last minute justification.
    Last edited by Skytotem; 2013-03-31 at 02:48 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skytotem View Post
    Thing is, in Cataclysm, BEFORE that patch, we worked with the Zandalar to -stop- Gurubashi expansion.

    EDIT:

    http://www.wowpedia.org/Chabal



    http://www.wowpedia.org/Surkhan




    Everything suggested they were friendly with the Darkspear, and that this 'sinking Zandalar' thing was developed as last minute justification.
    Yeah, the Zandalari were friendly when both the Horde and Alliance shared interests with them.

    Just like every other race and faction, the Zandalar trolls are only in it for themselves and if the Darkspear or anyone else wants to get in their way (in the case of Mists, stopping them from making a home on Pandaria), any previous friendship isn't going to mean anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barlie830 View Post
    Yeah, the Zandalari were friendly when both the Horde and Alliance shared interests with them.

    Just like every other race and faction, the Zandalar trolls are only in it for themselves and if the Darkspear or anyone else wants to get in their way (in the case of Mists, stopping them from making a home on Pandaria), any previous friendship isn't going to mean anything.
    See, that's the thing, I don't get why the interests still aren't shared.

    Why not work with the Horde to take back land from the Alliance?

    I don't get why that's not a possibility.
    You are now future Jack Noir.

    Presently, you are trapped in a single moment, which increasingly feels like an eternity. Your boredom is surpassed only by your all consuming rage and contempt for existence itself.

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    Not sure if this has been posted yet but the person Chen sends you to talk to regarding the emperor has an interesting name:

    Seer Hao Pham Roo is an anagram for "Emperor Shaohao" so the soundfile now makes sense when he repeats "when I was young..."

    Has the emperor been alive all this time? Start speculating!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hav View Post
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    Not sure if this has been posted yet but the person Chen sends you to talk to regarding the emperor has an interesting name:

    Seer Hao Pham Roo is an anagram for "Emperor Shaohao" so the soundfile now makes sense when he repeats "when I was young..."

    Has the emperor been alive all this time? Start speculating!
    >.> .... You may be on to something.
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  14. #434
    Quote Originally Posted by Hav View Post
    Long time reader first time poster.

    Not sure if this has been posted yet but the person Chen sends you to talk to regarding the emperor has an interesting name:

    Seer Hao Pham Roo is an anagram for "Emperor Shaohao" so the soundfile now makes sense when he repeats "when I was young..."

    Has the emperor been alive all this time? Start speculating!
    Nailed it.
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