I see how the usual suspects come in here and derail this topic, so please stop doing that if you're not actually interested in discussing the linked article.
So they just can't leave the horde as much as they could want. It would be suicide.
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Amazing sig, done by mighty Lokann
Though either path is warranted of hesitation, I do hope they just don't stagnate and just be there.
And again, you have to question whether the morality of the living can really be applied to them. For one, their comprehension of reality is different from the living. For them, the nature of life and death is completely different from a living being. They do not view death as an end, and life is generally an alien experience to them.
The Forsaken have not been particularily conquest-minded. They maintained peaceful borders with the blood elves, and drew them into the Horde eventually. They maintain loyalty to the Horde about as well as any other race. They skirmish and war with the Alliance, but so do all the Horde races, and unlike the orcs the Forsaken haven't tried to conquer the world; they've done little more than maintain their borders against Alliance incursions, with the exception of Gilneas.
And if they are bent on conquest, ultimately, what will that look like? Well, probably not genocide. Conversion, most likely. A world united in undeath, I think that's the dream.
Is that moral? Probably not, at least by our standards. But the Forsaken are incapable of applying the same sort of morals that we do.
And what's the alternative, if their very nature is immoral? To give up and die because the living tell them to? That's against the nature of any living creature. So they fight, and survive, and try to establish their own place in the world.
I don't know how much longer we've got before the narrative completely leaves Pandaria, so I do hope they take advantage of some of these opportunities to push some of the racial storylines forward, or at least build them up a bit.
the "Sylvanis fans" why she is so popular is that she is the only dark/anti-hero/psudo-villianess that gets to be a leader and not a raid boss, well unless your alliance anyway. as for the forsaken themselves to say they aren't fucked up on a emotional/psychological level from the get go is disingenuous. they had to suffer, die, rise up and kill everything they loved or cared for. then only to be released and come to the realization of what they did and what they had become. now, to say that didn't drive some to try and do what is right by others as means of penance is not out of the question. but a lot more either went mad, or simply owned up to it and do what they in their minds is right. i can't really speak on what goes on in the mind of a forsaken other then being undead seems to make them (for the most part) lose empathy/sympathy and not care for their actions seeing as they don't really give a shit about the ultimate consequences, they have seen the face of hell and it has like i said, it fucked them up.
at this point you really can't judge them based on OUR set morality. not to say that what they do isn't fucked up, it is. the argument (not really an argument but ranting) i keep hearing from alliance fan boys is always: its our land! they should all fuck off or die and let us have it back. well who was their first jackass? THEM, they lived their thats their homes and cities they grew up in before they got turned. by all rights and accounts they belong there and get to stay there. the forsaken of Lorderon where the citizens of Lorderon BEFORE the scourge. so every, oh its the alliance' land bullshit pisses me off.
i would however like to see a change in pace with them seeing IF they are to join the army of light they need to drop Silvanis in leu of a leader who is.....slightly more inclined to be altruistically good....Lillian Voss? i sure a shit hope so, she's awesome.
We're also aware that the Light has not abandoned them. But that they have been corrupted in a manner that makes them physically vulnerable to it. This combined with the fact many abandoned it as a deity as they felt it had abandoned them as a people when Arthas showed up is why many shun it, not because it shuns them.