And it brings nothing new to the discussion, it's just a rehash of every other "Forsaken are evil"-thread.
You could have gone to one of your other dozen threads, post "So one of the Forsaken have a mindslave." and people wouldn't mind.
You don't need almost 4k words about that!
Or should we accept that "Sylvanas's goals were the same as Putress's" as a fact because he writes a lot of words?
Do you think that "Sylvanas has now taken on the role of the Lich King" suddenly is true because it's in a blog?
Putting 3600 words around it doesn't make the argument any more valid.
And no, at first I did not read it.
Because I HATE threads who paste a link and are like "^^^THIS ^^^", most of the time they bring nothing new.
Guess what, I read it and I was right.
Just because it's in a blog, doesn't mean it's true.
Most blogs are just excuses to write 5 pages about an argument that could also be written within 5 lines.
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Sylvanas might seem like shes just postponing her suffering, but essentially she knows she has to lead her people or she will meet her end if she gives up.
overall, the forsaken arent that cruel. when you create an undead toon you learn that the forsaken do have a choice.. they can go on existing with undeath or they can kill themselves.. they can do whatever they want as long as it doesnt go against the Forsaken..
everyone is given a choice.. they arent being held hostage or against their will anymore.. and who can say the monstrosities of war are beneath any race? orcs have easily caused just as much bloodshed and suffering as well as humans only with different methods.. cruelty exists everywhere... the forsaken just use different means like plaguing areas and using poisons.. they have no physical strength so they rely on brains and alchemy to assault their foes (supposably). the methods they use may be questionable.. but they are effective..
So beyond what her other feelings for Sylvanas are, she did give her the chance to fullfill this mission, and I think that's important for Lillian
So far her dialogue has shown that she simply dislikes the thought of undeath and hates those who curse others with it - "I will not let you curse another soul with this nightmare."
She hates her Undeath. This we all know. So much so that she goes after Gandling to stop the spread of Undeath. Yet so far she doesn't give a hoot about the person who afflicted her with it? I find that unbelievable.
I think the problem is that she was well received by players and I get the feeling that many players would be upset with having a character they like trying to kill their leader.
If anything Voss may be the key to holding Sylvanas accountable.
Last edited by Scummer; 2013-03-26 at 10:39 AM.
My forsaken is a power hungry warlock. She will join arms with whichever leader enables her to pursue and wield that power. Sylvanas is a great leader to have if you're one of the more evil oriënted classes.
Also, the Forsaken did not raise her to free her - and intent matters. The Forsaken made her one of them just because they could, and Sylvannas personally didn't even know of Lillian's existence. She was just one more newly raised mindless servant among all the others. I don't see how that can realistically evoke gratitude.
Lillian was trained to be a vengeful killing machine and remained just that after death. She just includes her previous allies in her prey selection now. She was a sociopath before death, now she is also a psychopath.
appearance in the Scarlet halls support this. Even though revenge is one of the motivations, she clearly states that she sees the Crusade has becoming irredeemable evil and in need to be destroyed. To this end, she seeks the aid of adventurers.
Now, you are free to believe that she is lying about that.
The "freedom" thing was mentioned with quotes the first time for a reason. It was not something done in purpose, but none the less it opened the floodgates. Lilian was THE person to destroy the Crusade from the inside, and no one knew it. It wasn't fate, it wasn't coincidence. Had Lilian died to never be raised, nothing would had happened. But she was, and this gave her a second chance, to see the sins and lies of the Crusade. Their scorn fueled her anger and desire for revenge and this lead to their definitive -probably- end.
So yeah, she does "owe" them, even when it was not their intention. I think she can appreciate more the random nature of the causality of this path, instead of it being born out of machination. Had the forsaken "used" her with intention, bet your sweet ass they could be primary targets on her list. You have to see that undead meant more than just reanimation for Lilian, it was the first times she was truly free of will, not controlled, ordered or manipulated for anyone.
She was finally free, and the forsaken -and Sylvanas- where the responsible of this. As such, I believe there's an small appreciation shown in the form of keeping out of their way; for the time being, at least.
Because the forsaken were turned away by their families(The Alliance) when they gained their free will. That kind of betrayal causes you to cling to whoever will accept you.
Do we know if Lilian keeps hating her existence? probably; but if she did that much she would have offed herself after she finished the crusade. She is, at least, enjoying her revenge.
Either way, she can both hate her existence and appreciate the opportunity it gave her -and used-. I believe that this gives Lilian a small appreciation for the forsaken, to at least let them be for now. Would have the forsaken become her next target? Probably.
I like that the Forsaken are 'evil' I just wish they were smarter about it, hid it better, or did it in ways that wouldn't make you stop and go "Wait, why are the orcs / rest of the Horde putting up with this?"