Fire Mage - Personal Crit

[jpirog]

I know that a lot of people have been saying you should be self-buffed crit at/around 33-35%, I'm actually frost right now (like most) and I just have a quick question.

Here's my mage:
us.battle. net/wow/en/character/area-52/Jprowler/advanced

From doing a sample reforge from AMR, it shows I'll have 29.78% crit, is that before arcane brilliance and armor or is that after?

Will I have enough crit? If it's after both brill and armor, then definitely not?

[Rethys]

AMR accounts for Molten Armor (if fire spec is selected), Arcane Brilliance, Blessing of Kings, AND raid boss crit supression (-3%).

AMR does *not* account for Critical Mass. They really need to add an option that removes all raid buffs/armors...

[royals]

AMR accounts for Molten Armor (if fire spec is selected), Arcane Brilliance, Blessing of Kings, AND raid boss crit supression (-3%).

AMR does *not* account for Critical Mass. They really need to add an option that removes all raid buffs/armors...

Wow I did not realize that they accounted for the 3% crit suppression on the player sheet at AMR very interesting. For some reason I always thought their % numbers matched my character sheeet ingame. Will have to check that out again.

[jpirog]

AMR accounts for Molten Armor (if fire spec is selected), Arcane Brilliance, Blessing of Kings, AND raid boss crit supression (-3%).

AMR does *not* account for Critical Mass. They really need to add an option that removes all raid buffs/armors...

Oh wow, so I'm not even close then..thanks for your answer. Guess I'll wait to get some more crit gear.

[Deleted]

That's actually really annoying

[Pulski]

I just noticed this the other day reforging my bear and wondered why the Crit didn't match. Good to know.

[fusionz]

AMR accounts for Molten Armor (if fire spec is selected), Arcane Brilliance, Blessing of Kings, AND raid boss crit supression (-3%).

AMR does *not* account for Critical Mass. They really need to add an option that removes all raid buffs/armors...

AMR doesnt account for CM ? you sure ?

Does this mean that I need to take the result I got out of AMR for fire optimize and multiply it by 1.3?

For example AMR tells me I will have 31.56% crit if I go fire with current gear, so I will actually have 41.02%?

[Rethys]

AMR doesnt account for CM ? you sure ?

Does this mean that I need to take the result I got out of AMR for fire optimize and multiply it by 1.3?

For example AMR tells me I will have 31.56% crit if I go fire with current gear, so I will actually have 41.02%?

I am almost 100% sure it does not account for CM. Switch from frost to fire in the options and your crit % stays the same. CM also only affects 4 mage spells, remember we use mage bomb, flamestrike, etc. as well. AMR would need a separate column for CM spells only.

I have been trying to figure this out for a while now. If, how critical mass works, is to multiply your chance to crit with Fireball, Pyro, FFB, and Scorch by 1.3 than I assume it would calculate it after buffs, and crit suppression. I'm not 100% sure on that, though. Real game testing (skada, recount, actual crit %) is probably needed... Unless, that information is out on the internet somewhere and I haven't found it yet.

I'm still frost at the moment, haven't had the time aside to regem/forge/enchant my stuff to fire, even though I'm at a good spot to switch. With the release of Bioshock today I won't have much time for WoW outside of raids anyway.

[Deleted]

I have been trying to figure this out for a while now. If, how critical mass works, is to multiply your chance to crit with Fireball, Pyro, FFB, and Scorch by 1.3 than I assume it would calculate it after buffs, and crit suppression. I'm not 100% sure on that, though. Real game testing (skada, recount, actual crit %) is probably needed... Unless, that information is out on the internet somewhere and I haven't found it yet.

I'm still frost at the moment, haven't had the time aside to regem/forge/enchant my stuff to fire, even though I'm at a good spot to switch. With the release of Bioshock today I won't have much time for WoW outside of raids anyway.

I think you just multiply your crit on the character sheet for CM. Say you have 35% crit, thats means your fireball/pyro/etc has a crit chance of 35*1.3=45.5 on a level 90 target.
To know your crit on a boss level target is 45.5-3=42.5, because you loose 1% crit per level, and bosses are level 93.

[Rethys]

I think you just multiply your crit on the character sheet for CM. Say you have 35% crit, thats means your fireball/pyro/etc has a crit chance of 35*1.3=45.5 on a level 90 target.
To know your crit on a boss level target is 45.5-3=42.5, because you loose 1% crit per level, and bosses are level 93.

That's how I assumed it worked as well, I just wasn't sure. So unbuffed crit > buffs > CM applied > +3 boss level crit suppression, in that order?

[fusionz]

That's how I assumed it worked as well, I just wasn't sure. So unbuffed crit > buffs > CM applied > +3 boss level crit suppression, in that order?

I think it should be unbuffed crit > buffs > -3% due to boss > (at this point your spells have x certain chance of crit) > then CM applied and chance is 1.3x

Thats the most logical order imo,

[royals]

That's how I assumed it worked as well, I just wasn't sure. So unbuffed crit > buffs > CM applied > +3 boss level crit suppression, in that order?

I am pretty sure you are doing this backwards guys. It should be [(Your Crit)+(Buff Crit)-3% Crit suppression]*(Critical Mass)=Crit Chance of FFB,FB,Pyro, Scorch.

[Sheridanjohn]

I am pretty sure you are doing this backwards guys. It should be [(Your Crit)+(Buff Crit)-3% Crit suppression]*(Critical Mass)=Crit Chance of FFB,FB,Pyro, Scorch.

Correct, so (Character sheet crit - 3%) * CM.

Also i noticed all of you are using 1.3 for Critical mass, however i thought it was nerfed to 1.2 again, as shown in spellbook.

[Deleted]

Correct, so (Character sheet crit - 3%) * CM.

Also i noticed all of you are using 1.3 for Critical mass, however i thought it was nerfed to 1.2 again, as shown in spellbook.

Tooltip error, it's still 1.3

[Polarthief]

I know that a lot of people have been saying you should be self-buffed crit at/around 33-35%, I'm actually frost right now (like most) and I just have a quick question.

Here's my mage:
us.battle. net/wow/en/character/area-52/Jprowler/advanced

From doing a sample reforge from AMR, it shows I'll have 29.78% crit, is that before arcane brilliance and armor or is that after?

Will I have enough crit? If it's after both brill and armor, then definitely not?

I have no idea what AMR is, but your armory takes nothing into account (so add +10% pre Crit-Suppression and CM from Armory)

Also, if you have 22% pre MA and AB on Armory, idk how you only have 29.78% after reforging to crit.

Edit: *Coughs* Oh, it's Mr Robot.

[Bemlikanz]

Soo.. If in the AMR shows I have 28% of crit, do I need to multiply by CM? So I'd have around 49% crit of FB, FFB, PB ?? Is this number good to go fire?? I really want to switch as soon it is hit optimal (im 497ilvl atm)

[Deleted]

Soo.. If in the AMR shows I have 28% of crit, do I need to multiply by CM? So I'd have around 49% crit of FB, FFB, PB ?? Is this number good to go fire?? I really want to switch as soon it is hit optimal (im 497ilvl atm)

Seems pretty low. 28 * 1.3 = 36.4%

[reflection]

AMR = askmrrobot. This is a tool to do gear optimisation that goes beyond just showing the data, because they do some processing on it to get the best setup for your gear (reforging, gems...)

[Bemlikanz]

36.4% is low? Around 45% it is okay?

[royals]

36.4% is low? Around 45% it is okay?

Its just personal preference to where you feel you aren't just spamming fireball all day long. I found it to start feeling the best when I reached 25% base, 35% with AI+Armor. Putting me at 45.5% (not counting suppression etc.). Currently almost 38% on character sheet w/ flask/food/buff and really can feel it taking of again.