I agree with OP.
PvP used to be my thing, what kept me interested in the game. Now it's like walking through glue. As a healer I expect a lot of CC, at least if the other team has some brains, but this is just stupid. That druid silence thing that sucks you back in and slows you? Come on!
premades and botting is really and im REALLY annoying me atm..... what are you supposed to do when your put against premade teams time after time after time GGRRRRRRR.......... and don't get me started on the botting sparkling beautiful dancing princesses ;ppp
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........THE WRITING'S ON THE WALL !!!!!
Not only does CC ruin the game, but the "OMG" buttons (Spells related to divine shield) also ruin the game as well, kinda stupid trying to find the only target that doesn't have a "bubble" in 3's, and don't forget about cooldowns resetting cooldowns (*cough* *cough* huntards) and the fact that most specs/classes aren't allowed in RBGS (at least not preferred).
i do think that maybe 8s Drs of any type should share..6-5s and mayyybe 2-4 secs like horrors w/ blankets but you'd have to rework VT an UA and things. even that would be weird though against good healers.
obv though the 5+player sample isnt good reasoning because the game is largely structured around 3v3 as well rbgs.
yeah it's pretty stupid. I watched a r1 hunter stream a couple days ago and he was struggling at 1500 2v1 even though the opponents were probably legally retarded irl. as soon as you get two people who use all their abilities it becomes next to impossible to win. back in tbc (or maybe wotlk I don't quite remember) megatf played naked up to like 1800 as hunter priest, because skill was actually rewarded. now your reward for playing terrible over a long period of time is rewarded with extra rating ...
One of the things Blizzard got right was tempering AoE damage. AoE in massive group PvP can really cause serious issues. But somewhere along the way Blizzard lost their way and now you have stupid amounts of AoE CC which has gotten out of hand like Warhammer AoE damage got out of hand.
Why does everyone hate the PvP so much?
In TBC I was too bad to actually see any problems with PvP (and I actually had a lot of fun in PvP back in TBC)
In WotLK I was pretty happy until ~mid S7, after that the class design was too boring for me.
After that PvP just got out of hand imo. Cata and MoP are both pretty bad when it comes to PvP.
In Cata they really overdid it with the "give everything to everyone" and now the game is basically "my cd's are ready, I win".
That's mostly what I get from BG since I only play arena to get my cap. And 2s are really far from enjoyable.
Yeah, MoP has too much cc.
I think Blizz reprioritised PvE over PvP, they will do the right thing next patch im positive. CC needs to be removed and just scale dmg around players not around a certain arena setting. If anything 3v3 is the most imbalanced thing in game cough godcomp
I know that StarCraft 2 is nothing like WoW PvP, but I am going to use this example to show that too much CC can break balance far more than the raw strength of a unit. Infestors, which have an ability called Spongal Growth, were OP at the beginning of Wings of Liberty simply because of their ability to lock down masses of units in one place while doing damage to them. A lot of players did also not enjoy being locked down, since it removed any type of skill in microing your units, simply because it was impossible to move them. The lesson the StarCraft 2 team learned from this? That CC can actually be quite damaging to PvP gameplay since it tends to counter the actual skill in being able to time and micro.
WoW needs to take that lesson to heart as well and make CC used as a way to disrupt combat to create a brief advantage instead of being the heavy annoyance as it is now.
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Well about shock wave for warr.
For prot it is the same as before
For Arms they lost a stun when this xpac started. So this tier is. Pick between the stun you lost or pick bladestorm so no matter what you will not have as much as you had before (do agree the 20 Shock wave was to much)
and for fury. Well they get a extra stun but it is not like fury is super OP for pvp and that hurts anything that they have another stun
PvP is going to die, too many spell and too many controls
There are several issues with PvP to be honest.
-Too much CC
-Too many strong instant heals
And that's just general issues. Enhancement Shamans for example, I personally feel sorry for; all the weaknesses of a melee combined with all the weaknesses of a caster. If anything, I feel they should get the Hunter treatment; a caster, but not 'really'. Unfortunately, we're too far into MoP now; any overhauls that are seriously needed likely won't be seen until the next expansion.