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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by TheOne View Post
    So by this logic there should just not ever be any healers in BGs. What's the point? I mean they are of lesser influence than all of these players with all of this skill. I know every time I go into a BG, there are nothing but highly skilled players. I always feel obsolete.
    Nice sarcasm, have some points for that. If you could match that with some reading skills, you'd see I said healer "composition" is a lesser influence. Not healers.

    An amazing healer can do great things for thier team but an amazing dps will carry a team to victory more often than a great healer will. As a healer all you can do is keep others alive, if they can't do anything then you're pretty screwed. As a good DpS you can control the entire match.

    I'd rather have 5 good DpS on my team than 5 good healers. AS others have pointed out, thats just boring for starters.
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    I thought the point of RBGs were to have 'structured' PVP battles. I don't think this should be implemented for Random BGs, especially if it starts preventing me playing with friends who happen to all play healers.

  3. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrven View Post
    I hope this is something that doesn't go live. Many ppl will skip around it or queue for things they wont do to speed up their queue times. This is a horrible solution to any issues that bg groups might be currently facing.
    I think it would be fine if they just lock you into your spec. They probably should have done that in LFR as well.

  4. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by Doylez View Post
    actually, http://www.darklegacycomics.com/354.html established that Donald is a priest.
    Because I want to say this every single day but don't want it to get a drag:
    1) The ingame store will only sell timesaver items. It won't affect balance.
    2) No, getting to 100 in half the time isn't pay2win. raids don't start until the second week, everyone has time to get there.
    4) getting charms faster is also not pay2win. getting those is easy, but not everyone has the time or want for dailies.

  5. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by Stormspellz View Post
    horrible idea

    roles don't win bgs, players do

    this is just blizz caving to babies on the forums who don't understand the concept of cc and landing interrupts.
    Go...go in rated bg and reach at least 1800 without healers
    In that case random = rated, healer are needed


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lufi View Post
    Queues... I hope they don't reach the 10 minutes mark.
    10 minutes. bah. back in the day our queues were 40 minutes into alterac valley.

    ---------- Post added 2013-03-31 at 11:05 PM ----------

    1 healer makes a big difference in a BG. i play healer on my druid, and sometimes im the only healer in the entire battleground.
    In these situations we always win. (How do i see im the only one? if im the only player with 1-10 million healing done, i think i am the only healer :P)

    I can heal people so they kill the enemy players before they die themselves. Ive had many matches where im the only healer, and we have ALWAYS won. I only play with a friend of mine. So its 2 player premade, hes only a warrior the most underdog class in the game right now. But with my help he can melt faces longer and not so underdog except in damage. And all the other players in the bg who i heal when they need it.

    My total dmg done in a bg is pretty much 0 but my healing done is in the opposite end of the scoreboard.

    Sometimes enemy team has healers aswell, if they have 3 or more in WSG and they have gear. We are pretty much lost. If we dont have many too. But normally in those situations enemy team is a premade.
    Having even just 2 healers in WSG flag defender its impossible for dps to kill the carrier. Ive noticed it while healing myself.

    Even in unbalanced 2v2 arena ive played matches that are dps vs dps and in the background me and the healer are having a duel. Only way to win the match is CC the other healer when his dps has low health. And our manas? they are always full. good game blizzard.

    Healers are too overpowered, we also have too much CC in the game and many dps classes have too many defensives and too good selfheals. *cough* warlock *cough*


    When i pop my CDs as resto druid, im invincible. Ive always survived the entire time i have my cooldowns up. Thats just a big facepalm at the game design.

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    Well done OP. Very well made. Meanwhile, on April 1st.

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    It's time to bring out them bandages bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    If you get beaten by a scrub because you're trying to 1 vs 5 them you deserve to get lol'd at
    u must live in perfect bg situation world....You've never gone 1v1 and then the guy u are facing has a healer run up from behind and start healing him? You're pro brah

  10. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by Baracuda View Post
    Give healers more honor/conquest per game, problem solved!

    Some safety mechanism will probably be having to queue with a healing spec and getting a warning message that you will be kicked out of the queue if you try to change spec.

    And I wonder, will you be able to queue as a tank :O?
    The problem isn't just fewer healers overall, it's the imbalance that often occurs between teams. One team with no healers vs one with 3 or 4 is a big deal.

  11. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by Otaka View Post
    10 minutes. bah. back in the day our queues were 40 minutes into alterac valley.

    ---------- Post added 2013-03-31 at 11:05 PM ----------

    1 healer makes a big difference in a BG. i play healer on my druid, and sometimes im the only healer in the entire battleground.
    In these situations we always win. (How do i see im the only one? if im the only player with 1-10 million healing done, i think i am the only healer :P)

    I can heal people so they kill the enemy players before they die themselves. Ive had many matches where im the only healer, and we have ALWAYS won. I only play with a friend of mine. So its 2 player premade, hes only a warrior the most underdog class in the game right now. But with my help he can melt faces longer and not so underdog except in damage. And all the other players in the bg who i heal when they need it.

    My total dmg done in a bg is pretty much 0 but my healing done is in the opposite end of the scoreboard.

    Sometimes enemy team has healers aswell, if they have 3 or more in WSG and they have gear. We are pretty much lost. If we dont have many too. But normally in those situations enemy team is a premade.
    Having even just 2 healers in WSG flag defender its impossible for dps to kill the carrier. Ive noticed it while healing myself.

    Even in unbalanced 2v2 arena ive played matches that are dps vs dps and in the background me and the healer are having a duel. Only way to win the match is CC the other healer when his dps has low health. And our manas? they are always full. good game blizzard.

    Healers are too overpowered, we also have too much CC in the game and many dps classes have too many defensives and too good selfheals. *cough* warlock *cough*


    When i pop my CDs as resto druid, im invincible. Ive always survived the entire time i have my cooldowns up. Thats just a big facepalm at the game design.
    To see if your the only healer. use bg targets. tell there role based on specs. and ofc you can easly see your team specs

    ---------- Post added 2013-04-03 at 08:08 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Syridian View Post
    Well done OP. Very well made. Meanwhile, on April 1st.
    till i logged into the ptr and they indeed needed to select a role. as a warrior i could not select healer but still

  12. #92
    Just disable all healing spells in BGS and there you go fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    Just disable all healing spells in BGS and there you go fixed.
    Obviously that wouldn't work, try to be constructive
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  14. #94
    Sometimes I wish Blizzard would have embraced the Shockadin style of play where healers were half offensive pressure and half heals in PvP. The heal spamming punching bag model they are using now is questionable to me.

  15. #95
    This could be pretty awesome unless it drastically affects queue times. It does get old seeing 5+ healers on the enemy team in a 10-player BG. I think I'd prefer the current system over the new one if it did in fact change queue times (too much).

  16. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by Diesta View Post
    Oh wow, so much has changed in the time I have been gone! Warrior healers.. that's new
    Havent tried out Second Wind have you?

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    Soon we have 3 bots as healer because the queue times are shorter for them. Still a horrible idea because this will remove the option to change spec before the bg timer runs out + the queue time will be ridiculous long because there are not that many healers so what they do next is give healers an extra reward when they queue for a bg...

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    I'm pretty glad this is happening.

    Getting into a WSG with 7 healers (who refuse to change spec) and ending in a 0-0 tie is not fun.

    Biggest issue I can see with this is people changing spec before the battleground begins (and that's a fairly big issue)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarl Balgruuf View Post
    I'm pretty glad this is happening.

    Getting into a WSG with 7 healers (who refuse to change spec) and ending in a 0-0 tie is not fun.

    Biggest issue I can see with this is people changing spec before the battleground begins (and that's a fairly big issue)
    I have over 130k hk's and this never happend to me, still something that might happen to you once or twice isn't a valid reason to give me longer queue times. With the changing spec they will prob remove that which is a downside because you can't change spec according to the bg you play. People who like to be a FC or feel the need to be one in wsg or twin and join as dps because they join a random bg are just screwed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Korgoth View Post
    Just got on the PTR and I found this waiting.




    So set limits on Healers? Mandatory Tanks? Or just some weird shit they are trying. With how powerful healers are now I can see the reason to do this. If you random pvp at all I am sure you ended up in a game where the other team had 3-4 healers and you had 0 and it felt impossible. But on the other hand, queues aren't instant right now, so why make them longer.



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