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  1. #21
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    Jaina now is a far bigger monster than Kael'thas or anyone else is. Walking around Dalaran nuking harmless, innocent, cowering Sunreavers.. When you add Dalaran to Camp Taurajo it's blatantly obvious the alliance are the evil faction in WoW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulgore Sweet Potato View Post
    Jaina now is a far bigger monster than Kael'thas or anyone else is. Walking around Dalaran nuking harmless, innocent, cowering Sunreavers.. When you add Dalaran to Camp Taurajo it's blatantly obvious the alliance are the evil faction in WoW.
    Jaina did not kill those cowering Sunreavers. She teleported them into the Violent Hold.
    And if you look into Horde business in Hillsbrad you cannot honestly consider Taurajo the worse crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathranis View Post
    I think Jaina's kind of just a huge hypocrit. She displayed some stunningly hypocritical behavior in Tides of War.
    She lost her city, her friends, her dreams and the illusion of peace. She saw Thrall, an orc she respected, turn his back on her. She saw many of he people die a horrible death and she saw allies and friends fall because they came to help her and her city at her requests. She saw her fathers death as pointless.

    You don't think a little anger was justfied?


    Genn Greymane and the worgen are another example. Genn was a colossal dick to the Alliance in the past, and the worgen are essentially savage monsters. Some humans in Hillsbrad went so far as to willingly drink worgen blood, becoming monsters in order to gain the power to fight the Forsaken.
    They can be monsters.....when they aren't in control of their actions. The Gilneans developed the means by which they do maintain control.

    And yet the worgen are welcomed with open arms by the night elves and Alliance, despite the worgen previously being known as such dangerous beings that they had to be trapped in the Emerald Dream for thousands of years, or being vicious monsters living in Silverpine, Duskwood, and Ashenvale.
    Yes. Because they ARE in control of themselves and they actually behave.

    The ill will between Varian and Genn was also quickly set aside and they became friends fighting side-by-side in battle. Blizzard treats them as heroes among heroes -- there's nothing dark or savage left in them by the time the novels and questlines are over.
    Genn earned Varians respect. Ina novel. What can be said. You expecetd a work of art?


    Meanwhile, the humans treated the Forsaken as monsters and the orcs are condemned for once drinking the blood of Mannoroth, and so forth.
    The Worgen look like monsters. They do not, however, act as monsters.
    The Forsaken? They Forsaken do act like monsters.
    And the orcs? The Orcs largely behave as if Thrall never existed.

    The Forsaken were given a chance and they repaid that chance by massacring an Alliance army, and killing off many of its people who stayed in Lordaeron. The Orcs were given chance after chance after chance to work with the Alliance and repaid that with battle, conflict and war because any group who shows mercy is weak and deserves to be crushed.


    In a more logical world, the worgen storyline would have been written so that they would ally with the Forsaken rather than going to war. Two races of gothic monsters rejected by humanity, banding together for survival, makes a lot more sense than "and so the Forsaken attack them because they want a port (IE, because Blizz needed justification for the worgen joining the Alliance)".
    Garrosh wanted the port. He wanted the port because he needed a supply base and Zepps wouldn't help. The Gilneas had one so he tried to take theirs. And as a result, gave the Worgen and Alliance a common enemy.

    Yes...its pure justification. So what? it works and it fits in with Garrosh.

    Its also doubtful, based upon what we know, that the Forsaken would ever work with the Worgen, even if the Worgen were willing to overlook the Forsakens predilictions for murder, torture and so on. The Worgen would have needed to lose their minds and identity for that....but their feral nature was already established as uncrontrolled and keepign their minds and control means they woudln't overlook the Forsakens treatment of humanity - which would include non-Worgenised Gilneans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amonra View Post
    "Kael'thas Sunstrider was also a student here, another of our fold who betrayed us."

    This is one of Jaina's lines during "The fate of Dalaran" cinematic. What betrayal does she mean?? His alliance with the naga, or his ultimate betrayal of the mortal races by allying with Illidan and Kil'jaeden? Because yes, the second one was pretty shitty of his part, but the first one just out of necessity.

    Thoughts?
    Probably talking about when he manabombed Kirin'Var village in Netherstorm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulgore Sweet Potato View Post
    Jaina now is a far bigger monster than Kael'thas or anyone else is. Walking around Dalaran nuking harmless, innocent, cowering Sunreavers.. When you add Dalaran to Camp Taurajo it's blatantly obvious the alliance are the evil faction in WoW.
    She... only teleported them...

    She didn't 'nuke' anyone...


    How is Camp Taurajo and Dalaran worse than Theramoore and Hillsbrad?
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    It's simple, Dalaran and Taurajo were slaughters of innocent civilians. Theramore and Hillsbrad was dealing with military targets. Case closed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulgore Sweet Potato View Post
    It's simple, Dalaran and Taurajo were slaughters of innocent civilians. Theramore and Hillsbrad was dealing with military targets. Case closed!
    Hillsbrad wasn't a military target.

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    Plus Dalaran wasn't a 'slaughter', Jaina wasn't incinerating people she was teleporting them to the Violet Hold, she killed like, four doods, tops, and those were Aethas's guards not noncombatants.
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    civilian sunreavers were killed by players under her authority

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    Quote Originally Posted by vertex705 View Post
    civilian sunreavers were killed by players under her authority
    Anyone resisting arrest got killed yes, but they didn't go around and just murder people randomly.
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    Jaina Proudmoore hardly did much damage to Dalaran. Sunreavers(Supposedly) did more damage to Dalaran and the Kirin Tor. Though I wish the Sunreavers would at least fess up or try to fix their own issues. Why Aethas remains quiet is beyond me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vertex705 View Post
    civilian sunreavers were killed by players under her authority
    Murdering the cowering civilians is a player decision, they aren't part of any quest objective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaelsino View Post
    Murdering the cowering civilians is a player decision, they aren't part of any quest objective.
    I think they mean the shopkeepers Vereesa has you go after.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skytotem View Post
    I think they mean the shopkeepers Vereesa has you go after.
    Which funny enough attack you with no chat option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    Which funny enough attack you with no chat option.
    Well you weren't sent to talk to them you were sent to kill them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skytotem View Post
    Well you weren't sent to talk to them you were sent to kill them.
    Doesn't mean there shouldn't of been no option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    Doesn't mean there shouldn't of been no option.
    Their dialogue implies they know why you're there though, at least in some cases.
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  16. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Talen View Post
    Kael'Thas sided with the same Naga who had recently controlled the city. He did so in violation of the orders of the man who controlled much of the human forecs in the area. If HE didn't have the rank to overrule Garithos, then who in Dalaran did?

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    With the difference, that the naga were the ones, who drove most of the undead from Dalaran in the first place, it is not like Dalaran was Alliance controlled at the time.

    In the end Kael'thas betrayed the Kirin Tor, he even massacred their outpost in Outland, though all this could have been averted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulgore Sweet Potato View Post
    It's simple, Dalaran and Taurajo were slaughters of innocent civilians. Theramore and Hillsbrad was dealing with military targets. Case closed!
    Theramore was not just a military post. It was a huge city housing all the refugees of scourge attack. Hillsbrad was just a simple town. It did not even do anything against forsaken. Forsaken npcs used to send you to kill hilsbrad peasants just for fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cenkiss View Post
    Theramore was not just a military post. It was a huge city housing all the refugees of scourge attack. Hillsbrad was just a simple town. It did not even do anything against forsaken. Forsaken npcs used to send you to kill hilsbrad peasants just for fun.
    https://twitter.com/DaveKosak/status/294324269435981824

    Theramore completely a military target, more so when the civs have chance to escape.
    Theramore was absolutely legit, Southshore is not.

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    Theramore was the landing grounds for the Alliance invasion of Kalimdor, specifically the aggressive expansion into the southern barrens.

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    How many times do I have to say it? Jaina DESERVED the obliteration of Theramore after the shit she pulled in letting Alliance forces invade a stones throw from two Horde capitals. Jaina as EVER being for peace? Bullshit.
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