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    2h frost trinkets. How do these stack up?

    484 Xuen
    497 Lei Shen's
    Brutal Talisman (All exp can be used)
    522 Fabled Feather (All hit can be used)
    522 Spark of Zandalar

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    According to EJ they had this to say under their 2H Frost BiS trinket sections:

    Suggested ranking: HFeather > Feather > HRage > LFRFeather > HSpark > Shadopan > Rage > HGaze > Spark > HDMV2 > HLSFO2 > HLSFO > HDMV > Gaze > LFRSpark > Relic2 > LFRRage > Relic > LFRGaze

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    I am just about to get back to raiding, and I 've switched to 2h from DW frost ofc. I ve Xuen 484, LSFO and DMV normals, which two am I supposed to use? If i can recall it was DMV > LSFO for 2H in 5.1. Is it still in 5.2? or is the other way around, like the heroic ones as mentioned in EJ thread? THX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ant13 View Post
    I am just about to get back to raiding, and I 've switched to 2h from DW frost ofc. I ve Xuen 484, LSFO and DMV normals, which two am I supposed to use? If i can recall it was DMV > LSFO for 2H in 5.1. Is it still in 5.2? or is the other way around, like the heroic ones as mentioned in EJ thread? THX.
    LSFO and Xuen.
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    Shaman -> Cashrain
    Paladin -> Healyoutru
    Priest -> Ängel
    Monk -> Skadoosh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyteyes View Post
    According to EJ they had this to say under their 2H Frost BiS trinket sections:

    Suggested ranking: HFeather > Feather > HRage > LFRFeather > HSpark > Shadopan > Rage > HGaze > Spark > HDMV2 > HLSFO2 > HLSFO > HDMV > Gaze > LFRSpark > Relic2 > LFRRage > Relic > LFRGaze
    I thought Feather was the worst new trinket?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Destil View Post
    I thought Feather was the worst new trinket?
    It was the worst before Blizz buffed the RPPM on new trinkets.
    Death Knight -> Italiandk
    Shaman -> Cashrain
    Paladin -> Healyoutru
    Priest -> Ängel
    Monk -> Skadoosh
    Mage -> Icydeath

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    Feather OP!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mendenbarr View Post
    Feather OP!
    Unless you already have 9.8% hit WITHOUT Feather!

    Even reforging off all hit and ignoring all blue socket bonuses, 3 pieces of gear plus Draenei racial caps my hit rating, yet every new piece of gear that drops has hit!

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    Feather still OP! Even if you can use 0% of the hit!

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    For every point of hit/expertise over cap that is useless (E.g 2h) subtract 2 DPS in the comparrision chart.

    156298 0.7% HRage/HFeather
    155952 0.7% HSpark/HFeather
    155079 0.7% Feather/HRage
    154991 0.7% HGaze/HFeather
    154940 0.7% Rage/HFeather
    154875 0.7% Shadopan/HFeather
    154836 0.7% HFeather/HDMV2
    154767 0.7% Feather/HSpark
    154670 0.7% Spark/HFeather
    154440 0.7% HFeather/HLSFO2
    154232 0.7% HFeather/HDMV
    153943 0.7% HFeather/HLSFO
    153939 0.7% Gaze/HFeather
    153851 0.7% Feather/HGaze
    153668 0.7% Rage/Feather
    153657 0.7% Feather/Shadopan
    153593 0.7% Feather/HDMV2
    153472 0.7% Spark/Feather
    153269 0.7% LFRSpark/HFeather
    153148 0.7% Feather/HLSFO2
    152926 0.7% LFRRage/HFeather
    152913 0.7% Feather/HDMV
    152834 0.7% HFeather/Relic2
    152740 0.7% Gaze/Feather
    152627 0.6% Feather/HLSFO
    152508 0.6% HSpark/HRage
    152442 0.6% LFRGaze/HFeather
    152369 0.6% LFRFeather/HRage
    152305 0.6% HFeather/Relic
    152122 0.6% LFRFeather/Hspark
    152016 0.6% Feather/LFRSpark
    151671 0.6% Feather/LFRRage
    151543 0.6% Feather/Relic2
    151528 0.6% HRage/HGaze
    151379 0.6% Shadopan/HRage
    151217 0.6% Rage/HSpark
    151181 0.6% LFRFeather/HGaze
    151176 0.6% Feather/LFRGaze
    151121 0.6% HSpark/HGaze
    151117 0.6% Spark/HRage
    151116 0.6% Feather/Relic
    151114 0.6% HRage/HDMV2
    151077 0.6% Rage/LFRFeather
    151060 0.6% Shadopan/LFRFeather
    151036 0.6% Shadopan/HSpark
    150928 0.6% LFRFeather/HDMV2
    150878 0.6% Spark/LFRFeather
    150804 0.6% HRage/HLSFO2
    150775 0.6% HSpark/HDMV2
    150591 0.6% LFRFeather/HLSFO2
    150427 0.6% HSpark/HLSFO2
    150375 0.6% Gaze/HRage
    150304 0.6% HRage/HDMV
    150300 0.6% LFRFeather/HDMV
    150244 0.6% Shadopan/HGaze
    150201 0.6% Rage/HGaze
    150177 0.6% HRage/HLSFO
    150167 0.6% HSpark/HDMV
    150053 0.6% LFRFeather/HLSFO
    150041 0.6% Gaze/LFRFeather
    150030 0.6% Rage/Shadopan
    150005 0.6% Gaze/HSpark
    149945 0.6% Spark/HGaze
    149921 0.6% Spark/Rage
    149885 0.6% Rage/HDMV2
    149855 0.6% HSpark/HLSFO
    149815 0.6% Spark/Shadopan
    149805 0.6% HGaze/HDMV2
    149748 0.6% Shadopan/HDMV2
    149625 0.6% HGaze/HLSFO2
    149556 0.6% Spark/HDMV2
    149517 0.6% Rage/HLSFO2
    149472 0.6% HRage/Relic2
    149461 0.6% LFRSpark/HRage
    149435 0.6% LFRRage/HSpark
    149428 0.6% Shadopan/HLSFO2
    149387 0.6% Spark/HLSFO2
    149372 0.6% LFRSpark/LFRFeather
    149131 0.6% HGaze/HDMV
    149117 0.6% HGaze/HLSFO
    149113 0.6% HLSFO2/HDMV2
    149105 0.6% Shadopan/HDMV
    149078 0.6% LFRFeather/Relic2
    149078 0.6% Gaze/Shadopan
    149064 0.6% LFRRage/LFRFeather
    149045 0.6% Rage/Gaze
    149040 0.6% HSpark/Relic2
    148978 0.6% Rage/HDMV
    148926 0.6% Spark/HDMV
    148922 0.6% HRage/Relic
    148919 0.6% Shadopan/HLSFO
    148886 0.6% LFRGaze/HRage
    148831 0.6% Spark/Gaze
    148758 0.6% Rage/HLSFO
    148727 0.6% Spark/HLSFO
    148691 0.6% Gaze/HDMV2
    148570 0.6% LFRGaze/LFRFeather
    148566 0.6% HLSFO/HDMV2
    148535 0.6% LFRGaze/HSpark
    148484 0.6% Gaze/HLSFO2
    148479 0.6% LFRFeather/Relic
    148471 0.6% HSpark/Relic
    148467 0.6% HLSFO2/HDMV
    148436 0.6% LFRSpark/HGaze
    148272 0.6% Spark/LFRRage
    148266 0.6% Shadopan/LFRSpark
    148180 0.6% Shadopan/Relic2
    148177 0.6% HGaze/Relic2
    148164 0.6% Rage/Relic2
    148156 0.6% Rage/LFRSpark
    148110 0.6% LFRRage/HGaze
    148054 0.6% Shadopan/LFRRage
    148023 0.6% Gaze/HLSFO
    148018 0.6% LFRSpark/HDMV2
    148012 0.6% LFRRage/HDMV2
    147989 0.6% Gaze/HDMV
    147875 0.6% Spark/Relic2
    147805 0.6% HLSFO/HDMV
    147788 0.6% LFRRage/HLSFO2
    147776 0.6% LFRSpark/HLSFO2
    147733 0.6% Relic2/HDMV2
    147664 0.6% HGaze/Relic
    147664 0.6% Relic2/HLSFO2
    147635 0.6% Shadopan/LFRGaze
    147615 0.6% Shadopan/Relic
    147586 0.6% Rage/Relic
    147504 0.6% Rage/LFRGaze
    147300 0.6% Spark/Relic
    147298 0.6% Spark/LFRGaze
    147278 0.6% Gaze/LFRSpark
    147265 0.6% LFRRage/HDMV
    147230 0.6% LFRSpark/HDMV
    147211 0.6% Relic/HDMV2
    147175 0.6% LFRGaze/HDMV2
    147168 0.6% LFRSpark/HLSFO
    147116 0.6% Relic2/HDMV
    147105 0.6% Gaze/Relic2
    147099 0.6% LFRGaze/HLSFO2
    147097 0.6% Relic/HLSFO2
    147089 0.6% Relic2/HLSFO
    147077 0.6% LFRRage/HLSFO
    146918 0.6% Gaze/LFRRage
    146601 0.6% Relic/HDMV
    146569 0.6% LFRGaze/HDMV
    146559 0.6% LFRGaze/HLSFO
    146549 0.6% Relic/HLSFO
    146535 0.6% Gaze/Relic
    146471 0.6% LFRSpark/LFRRage
    146433 0.6% LFRSpark/Relic2
    146191 0.6% LFRRage/Relic2
    145953 0.6% LFRSpark/Relic
    145796 0.6% LFRSpark/LFRGaze
    145665 0.6% LFRGaze/Relic2
    145612 0.6% LFRRage/Relic
    145558 0.6% LFRRage/LFRGaze
    145125 0.6% LFRGaze/Relic
    131436 0.6% Death_Knight_Frost_2h_T15N

    Take from E.J

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    Sucks that they ended up changing it, passed out for a warrior on a thunderforged feather first week because id already picked up the spark

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyteyes View Post
    According to EJ they had this to say under their 2H Frost BiS trinket sections:

    Suggested ranking: HFeather > Feather > HRage > LFRFeather > HSpark > Shadopan > Rage > HGaze > Spark > HDMV2 > HLSFO2 > HLSFO > HDMV > Gaze > LFRSpark > Relic2 > LFRRage > Relic > LFRGaze
    I personally have tested out Rage and Valor trinket and 510 lei shen trinket, my friend weekly sims trinekts for dks and warriors. EJ is correct as Feather and Rage are BiS, the reason Valor trinket is better then normal spark is especially on a Hero pull your getting 8800 strength with everything procd, stormrlash banners, pillars , where as the spark is not up and will not line up, so in accordance your beginning Valor proc is more liek 10-11k strength from the 20-25 % strength depending on tier piece,,, currently ive ranked top 5 frost dks on 4 fights running Thunderforged Rage and Recently Changed to Valor trinket and seen an increase. If you have a Feather/Rage/Valor trinket and Spark drops give it to an off spec or Prot pally

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krokarr View Post
    I personally have tested out Rage and Valor trinket and 510 lei shen trinket, my friend weekly sims trinekts for dks and warriors. EJ is correct as Feather and Rage are BiS, the reason Valor trinket is better then normal spark is especially on a Hero pull your getting 8800 strength with everything procd, stormrlash banners, pillars , where as the spark is not up and will not line up, so in accordance your beginning Valor proc is more liek 10-11k strength from the 20-25 % strength depending on tier piece,,, currently ive ranked top 5 frost dks on 4 fights running Thunderforged Rage and Recently Changed to Valor trinket and seen an increase. If you have a Feather/Rage/Valor trinket and Spark drops give it to an off spec or Prot pally
    My question is this, towards the trinkets. I have basically all the trinkets(LFR quality) from ToT. I played around with LFR rage and hated it. Maybe it works a little different on normal/Heroic versions. My problem with it was I could NEVER get past three stacks. I never saw a five stack in a full clear of LFR content. I will have to wait around for a normal one I guess, but for now I am using feather/shadowpan.

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    The normal and heroic versions of primordius' talisman have the same proc rate as the lfr version.

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    Soooo..the Feather is now our BiS?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Destil View Post
    Soooo..the Feather is now our BiS?
    It has been answered already more than 1 time.
    Death Knight -> Italiandk
    Shaman -> Cashrain
    Paladin -> Healyoutru
    Priest -> Ängel
    Monk -> Skadoosh
    Mage -> Icydeath

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiira View Post
    The normal and heroic versions of primordius' talisman have the same proc rate as the lfr version.
    If that's the case then how is that a best in slot piece. Like I said I could not get past three stacks and even getting to three was luck. I typically only ever had one stack or on occasion two, rarely three and never four or five.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valliant13 View Post
    If that's the case then how is that a best in slot piece. Like I said I could not get past three stacks and even getting to three was luck. I typically only ever had one stack or on occasion two, rarely three and never four or five.
    It usually has 70-80% uptime for the first stack, if you add other stacks uptime it ends up being SLIGHTLY better then the Spark.

    It depends on RNG, of course: you can be lucky and get a lot of 5 stacks buff (very unlikely) or you can be very unlucky and never pass 2 or 3 stacks...
    Death Knight -> Italiandk
    Shaman -> Cashrain
    Paladin -> Healyoutru
    Priest -> Ängel
    Monk -> Skadoosh
    Mage -> Icydeath

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    Quote Originally Posted by Italiandk View Post
    It has been answered already more than 1 time.
    Yeah, with numbers and math posted in front of my face on more than one occasion.

    Not to mention I read the freaking posts at 4:30 AM. I was half asleep.

    You could've just said "Yes" instead of being that guy.

    Gotta love rude people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Destil View Post
    Yeah, with numbers and math posted in front of my face on more than one occasion.

    Not to mention I read the freaking posts at 4:30 AM. I was half asleep.

    You could've just said "Yes" instead of being that guy.

    Gotta love rude people.
    I didn't meant to be rude, it was just like to say "Yes, check in the previous posts". I suck at english ^^
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