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    I love trundle and i've wanted new skins since i started playing him... this rework is way more than I could ask for...

    love it...

    though I still think gentleman trundle would be hilariously ironic

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    Disappointed by it. They're making him into a completely different character, which we've seen happen to Karma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thallidomaniac View Post
    Disappointed by it. They're making him into a completely different character, which we've seen happen to Karma.
    I think the idea behind what they are doing with trundle is that if they make him prettier, they'll see an increase in players playing him.

    That being said, this could have been accomplished with a simple skin...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilbo Baggins View Post
    I think the idea behind what they are doing with trundle is that if they make him prettier, they'll see an increase in players playing him.

    That being said, this could have been accomplished with a simple skin...
    Which is what they did with Urgot, and that's exactly what they SHOULD have done, keeping the QoL fixes in, but not tampering with the character itself.

    The reds also mentioned something about "fixing up" Urgot some day, which erks me.

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    Personally the new Ice Troll theme, for me, works better for the character. Kinda funny really, I've just finished a Lore series on the characters of League of Legends and suddenly everyone is getting revamps.

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    This is actually a pretty nice thread on the topic: http://www.reignofgaming.net/redtrac...-a-lore-change

    Not saying I suddenly agree with gutting his personality, but that does make sense.

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    I like the changes to Trundle overall, and to Sejuani as well. It would be good to see both of those champs played more often.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duilliath View Post
    This is actually a pretty nice thread on the topic: http://www.reignofgaming.net/redtrac...-a-lore-change

    Not saying I suddenly agree with gutting his personality, but that does make sense.
    This post sums up my feelings right here. http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/...4#post36397654

    I understand his lore left him with no where to go, but changing everything that is Trundle did not need to happen. They could of easily tweaked his lore to give him a greater purpose, or they could of incorporated his old lore to fit this new Trundle. I wouldn't be as mad if he was still Trundle, and not Random Ice Troll 12.

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    I don't mind the lore revamp per se, but I wish he was still a "noble" troll instead of a jerk who sold his people for power. It was rare to find a "good" troll character in games like this. Karma is still "good" after her revamp, WW still evil and Soraka still good + share a sordid history, and so on. It's when their entire personality changes that I start to be sad, and likely what makes a lot of people "upset" and why I can understand the "just make an entirely new character" sentiment in that regard. For example, he could have been part of the more "noble intentions but still kinda vicious" Sejauni/Volibear team as a frost troll and a new character could have been put in for the ice queen's servants. OR, they could have done like Anivia and made "corrupted" versions of the ice-based characters as skins.

    Aesthetically though, he does look way better compared to his old design. I wasn't interested in buying him before the remake announcement because he is so unappealing in that regard, but I kinda like him now (and his new "evil" self will be kinda weird with his traditional skin/voiceover). There's a helluva lot of characters that are displaced or barely relevant to the "main" conflicts, people might be worried if those characters are on the "gonna be totally different" list too. I mean, Taric for example is likely getting a "makeover" soon too (one of the last really outdated models still), and threatening his fabulous history would be shameful. Some other characters with little to no connection are Zyra, Shaco, Rammus, Vlad, Fiddle, Ahri, Lulu, Nocturne, Orianna, Skarner, Sona...
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    He wasn't noble. He was complete. There's a huge difference there.

    He accepted the curse in the hopes to be seen as saviour of his tribe. He kept the curse to see his tribe die off. Forever an outcast.

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    Dont like the new Lore... Boring Ice Themed Stuff, Pillar of Filth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ice Pillar, was fun to watch that Thing erupted from the ground gooing on everyone. To me it felt they didnt adress the problems for his spell kit at the current meta. I like trundle, the problem just seems to be that he only has two single target damage spells, that also require close range to do something. And its not easy getting tanky enough fast to stay in team fights to deal some damage, currently in 5v5 teamfights you cant just run in the enemy team or you will get killed you need hard initiate by your side, he is to team dependend now, which make many other jungler more viable because of the hard cc, strong ults or aoe damage. His MR/Armor Steal is not deal much cause its low percentage steal, heck i guess even Kog Maw will reduce more Stats with his Q.

    Now they gave his Q a slow, unnecessary cause he already got strong slow. Removed CC Reduction, which will make it very easy to kite him cause he still needs to get close to deal any damage, gave is ult percentage damage which is ok i guess but still will make his impact on the teamfight very small especially without communication. What they should have changed a) give Pillar a short root or b) make ult a aoe effect like a cone of puke (whatever), to reward for good position and give a you strong steroid to stay in team fight, maybe reduce the values ofc.

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    I'll miss his lore, where his regenerative powers were so good he originally kept the curse at bay, until he offered to take on the curse for his entire race.
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    I kind of want a skin the transforms his pillar into a giant middle finger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duilliath View Post
    He wasn't noble. He was complete. There's a huge difference there.
    They aren't mutually exclusive. I think it is pretty noble to take all the suffering of your entire tribe into your body just because you can. If his story was also complete, fine, but he's a totally different guy now so why still call him Trundle? Where's the guy who gave up everything for his tribe's sake? He's the opposite now, he sold them out for an ice club and a pact with a legitimately evil sorceress.
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    He didn't take that onto him out of the kindness of his heart is where the disconnect with him being noble comes from. He took it in the hopes that his tribe would finally look up to him, instead of down on him.

    Other than that, I agree. They just pulled a bait-n-switch on Trundle.

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    Dislike it, despite never having played him. They said the frost theme fits more with his abilities and his CC: which is ironic considering the fact that his kit wasn't a traditional boring frost theme is what I liked about him. Frost based champs are dime a dozen, Trundle was somewhat unique.
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    Runaan discusses why Trundle was changed in these ways. I find most of that reasoning to be bullshit.

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    I like it, but I liked the old pillar lol =/ and iono about the frost theme. kind of makes him not really trundle anymore =[

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    basically looks like a blue human

    where's his hunch? his hopping around?

    dont like that they got rid of the tenacity on Contaminate, dont like that they got rid of the AD steal on his Bite
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    AD steal is there.

    ---------- Post added 2013-04-09 at 12:37 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Thallidomaniac View Post
    Runaan discusses why Trundle was changed in these ways. I find most of that reasoning to be bullshit.
    None of that reasoning actually addresses the complaints and arguments. It just lays down the same thing we already heard IronStylus say. I think ItemGuy's response pretty much covers it all.

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