A longer, more controlled test might be a good idea.
Try spec'ing fire and spamming scorch into a dummy for 20-30+ mins and post your log here (shouldn't need to execute a full rotation since RPPM isn't affected much by how often you cast). I can compare your results against what SimC predicts for whatever duration you decide to test, both with a 1.00 coefficient and a 0.302 coefficient.
Last edited by Polarthief; 2013-04-20 at 03:04 AM.
Even 20-30 minutes might be low (translates into say 2-3 ~10 minute boss fights), as I imagine you're familiar with how RNG these RPPM effects are (e.g. from one boss to the next seeing uptimes of 10%, 20%, 15%, 40%, 25% for your meta/trinkets).
Capacitive Primal Diamond – 21.00 base RealPPM on landing melee/ranged abilities and swings. No ICD.
- At 5 stacks, fires a Lightning Strike, which deals [280 + 75% AP] Nature damage. This is considered a ranged attack for Hunters, and a melee attack for everyone else.
- Base proc rate is multiplied by an additional coefficient:
1.152 Fury SMF
1.257 Fury TG
1.721 Feral Cat
1.532 Frost DK 2H
1.134 Frost DK DW
0.950 Beast Mastery
1.000 Anyone Else
Anyway, here's the 20m log
Still super low. 9.3% (11 proccs).
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My bad on that one, but still. At the very least, NONE of those are super low. The lowest being Enhancement, and it's only at 0.8. Fire is at 0.3. That's quite a huge difference.
The legendary needs to be significantly high-proccing for Fire because we need our crits to be big. It's counter-intuitive to make it such a low coefficient for Fire and I'm shocked the Developers are so blind to this issue. It's obviously untested or non-calculated.
I was checking on my boomkin, and I got 43% uptime with 1 Wrath every 10 seconds (controlled test). Only a 20-minute log, but the PPM is indicative of the hotfix actually live.
(1.18RPPM baseline * 0.302coeff), multiply by proc time, divide by 60 seconds. If I factor in my baseline 15.38% haste, it bumps up to 6.8%.
Last edited by Nitwit; 2013-04-20 at 04:21 AM.
Anyways, this sort of seals the deal, that only time you want the meta is when you can pop combustion in those first ~14 seconds with hero, which frankly is like 3-4 bosses in ToT depending how you do them. So I hope it gets buffed to around 12.5-15% uptime at least.
It just really seems that you're implying that it should be up for most, if not all combustions and I'm not quite sure if you've really thought it through with how much it would increase fires damage.
The point to be made is whether or not this is a big enough upgrade vs the current meta gem.
To think that this should 'reliably' line up with combustion is insane. It's a plus when it does, but it shouldn't be expected.
Last edited by Kuni Zyrekai; 2013-04-20 at 05:14 AM.
What is our relative power gain with the meta, vs the normal one, compared to some of the other classes?
Are we 'that good' with the way it was before? And at what point does nerfing the legendary gem make it not feel very much 'legendary' anymore?
at 10% uptime, what's the relative power gain? I had my uptime math wrong without the failsafe numbers worked in, and the normal meta-gem also scales with gear/crit (the 3% more crit dmg part) so it isn't exactly super linear.
As long as it's a decent gain, I think it's fine. My problem is if this coefficient going in, which cut the uptime by just a bit under 3/4ers, makes the gem now be just a very small up from the normal gem, which would warrant some adjusting from a TC standpoint, but also, the gem has to feel useful, something up 10% of the time isn't very fun either.
I like how I make an observation and you all jump on that one thing o.o; I don't EXPECT it to be up for Combustions, but I'm just saying if it doesn't line up with any, it's a minor DPS boost at best unless it proccs a fair bit. At < 10% uptime, how often do you expect it to line up? Almost never is the right answer here.
The problem is at its current state, the gem is barely better (if even) than Burning, and when it's a fucking LEGENDARY that's barely better than a JC cut, that's pathetic.