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Now I know things like that will never make any sense, it's near impossible in an MMO.
But the thing I'm talking about with Garrosh has nothing to do with these timeline issues. Just forget TBC, forget WotLK, forget the rest of Cata and forget MoP. Only take the 1-60 stuff. Isolate it from everything else. Do not pay attention to any transition between expansions. If you take only that content of Level 1-60, and you play through the zones, having a different warchief in Orgrimmar and a different warchief being talked about, or appearing in the zones creates a weird questing experience for new players.
Anyone remembers the Missing Diplomat alliance questline? That was about searching for Varian and it was not removed when Varian was added to SW (3.0), only the final 2 quests which involved Bolvar and Katrana were removed back then... The quest chain was only removed in Cataclysm with the rest of the quests...
I've always viewed it like this: whenever I create a new character, that character exists in the present. Which, at this moment is patch 5.2 content. That is the present for my character. They are effectively a level 90 character fighting the thunder kings forces in Pandaria.
Now for gameplay reasons I can't jump right into that content and must make my way from level 1 up to 90. The way I see it is that that journey is more like my character telling the story of how they got to where they currently are.
To put this in a real world perspective, if I were telling my life story and met the president when I was 12 years old, if say I met president reagan or bush or clinton or whoever was the president at that time despite the fact that in the present, obama is president. My story takes place in the past, so I reference the way things were.
This admittedly does get a little messy when I hit 60 and go to Outland and then Northrend at 70, because those events are further in the past than the beginning of my story, but I, as the player, understand that this is only because renaming the 60-70 and 70-80 experience would be extremely time and resource consuming for blizz, and so they choose not to do it.
I simply acknowledge the paradox and don't try to logic it. Though I have heard others suggest that when they hit 60, a bronze dragonflight representative approaches them and sends them into the past to preserve the timeline. It's awobbly explanation, but not entirely unfeasible in the scope of the game.
Also, I can remember Garrosh's appearing only in two quests in 1-60 content. And, well, only Stonetalon and maybe Ashenvale and Barrens are somehow Garrosh-related among all 1-60 zones. Not a big deal, and not that hard to manage with.
What I'm worrying about a bit more is Twilight Highlands starting chain. It's so epic, I'll be sad to see it removed. Hope they'll do something about it with some solo scenario tech or something.
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I tried to make sense of the space time continuum in this thread, and I now look like Chromie.
Seriously though, I'm not sure we will actually kill Garrosh. We will remove him, I'm sure. It would be silly to have all this build up, all this tension if he could just stick around. Then again, they may just pull a "Hey hey hey, I was just corrupted by the Sha of Douche Nozzles, yo" thing and everything goes back to normal.
-- I admit, I have no idea exactly how old Saurfang is, but Dranosh didn't seem that old to me. That would put Saurfang the Elder at the low-end-grandpa stage or so, older middle aged, but not old. Compare to, say, Varian Wrynn, who can't be that far off in terms of relative age. He's running the Alliance just fine. Magni, Cairne, Genn Greymane...there are/were leaders on both sides of roughly that age span. U.S. Presidents are that age span. If the role of Warchief is to be more about leadership and tactics than pure physical strength and combat skill, he should be ok.
-- Vol'jin fits the role fine to me, not necessarily my top choice, but he fits the role. This upcoming patch will be the second time he's reached out to the Alliance for a large growing threat. The first was the Zandalari, who incidentally, are still kind of a big deal. This will also be the second time he's personally involved with the action as well. Dealing with big threats with a combination of diplomacy and action seem like leadership traits to me. Also, what he did with the Echo Isles. Again, he might not be my top choice, but I wouldn't rule him out as "not cut out for it".
-- Lor'themar has directly said he would take the role of Warchief. See this link for details.
-- I'm not sure Sylvanas wants to be Warchief. I cannot think of a single action she's taken that wasn't directly related to her people first and foremeost. She's a capable leader, on and off the battlefield, but remember that time she sent a bunch of Forsaken soldiers to defend the Barrens? Or capture Ashenvale? Or siege Theramore? I'm pretty sure she did none of these, because it served no value to her.
Most of the leaders of the horde have already threaten to kill him.
I dont know if he will die (99% sure he will) but i can tell you this, he will NOT keep being Warchief.
Also, many devs already stated Thrall will be Warchief again.
"I hated hating Garrosh before it was cool."
FOR THE HORDE!!!
I hope Garrosh kills Thrall (he was way too overexposed over the last life of Warcraft and WoW) and then we kill Garrosh. Vol'jin, Baine or Lorethremor.
I'm not saying that Thrall should be killed, I'm not supporting the post you quoted. But if anything I'd say Anduin is the one matching Thrall in overall exposure, as both factions deal with him in jade forest, Krasarang wilds, 5.1 storyline, and 5.2's Wrathion story.
Last edited by Malzra; 2013-04-04 at 05:49 PM.
Yeah, I can see that. But given how so much of the story in warcraft comes from a throwback to alliance stories and how the horde has had to tag along and sort that out (yes, kel'thzard, Arthas, Kael'thas, even Illidan were stories knocked from the alliance, and tirion who was a member once a member of the alliance as the main hero in wrath, the horde really has had nothing focused on there story and characters until Thrall did something and became a central role).
As for Arthas/Kel'thuzad, yes they are tied into human lore. But also Forsaken lore. The orcs might not have had much to do with the scourge, but it did tie into the blood elf and forsaken story lines a lot.
Part of it isn't just that a horde character played a big role either. Thrall isn't just any horde character. He was the Warchif. It's most iconic character, it's central leader, up until he suddenly left that role in the cata prelude event. I think though that a lot of the alliance hate on Thrall from Cata has to do with them dropping the ball with Malfurion. Him never acknowledging that the Horde is invading and desecrating his forests. Having him literally stand there when horde raids attack Tyrande. (I know, story/gameplay segregation but COME ON.) Having a horde character in Hamuul always around to share the screen time and glory with him. Not getting to see his appearance in the firelands unless you're a heroic raider. I think alliance could have handled Thrall's role better if Malfurion's hadn't been botched.