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  1. #221
    Even if we are beating a dead horse, it cant get any more dead, so lets do it.

    I really dont know with which side i sympathise more.
    Seeing that it is easier than ever to gear yourself i dont really have a feeling of company for those who whine about getting no loot.
    On the other hand it is the whole system that stinks.
    And saying that you need to expierience a stinking system because we did as well isnt a very modern way of thinking as well.

    It´s not that i can come up with a solution, but still why do we blindly and willingly accept this artificial prolonging of content through gear gating?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyrindor View Post
    Tired of being able to stand there, face roll your keyboard, and get a small chance at 500+ ilvl equipment? Well then get a real guild that can clear normals, and preferably heroics. Put some effort into raiding and you will get gear much faster AND it will be much higher ilvl.

    LFR is only there for people that can't raid normally due to skill level and/or time. There's plenty of guilds out there that raid at different times and different amounts, I really don't see time as an excuse as long as you are willing to server transfer.

    It usually comes down to skill level or the person just being too lazy to find a decent guild. If it's skill level, then research and practice. Stop expecting free stuff and play better. If it's just sheer laziness then nothing can be done and I have no pity for these people that want free stuff handed to them.
    Let's say, for the sake of argument, you want to play in a decent guild. Undoubtedly, they'll have a gear requirement of some sort that you don't yet meet; how are you supposed to meet it?

    Previously in WotLK, there were five-man dungeons and PuG-friendly raids that could help you get over a gearing hump.

    Now, you're stuck with LFR and a terrible drop rate.

    This example is potentially more common than we realise (or less common, of course) and has nothing, whatsoever, to do with skill and/or laziness. Painting the issue solely into those two camps is grossly misrepresenting the topic.
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    To be fair, people have always complained about loot drops, especially raiders. It usually stayed in party chat or class/role channel.

    With LFR, it just brings the whining to the majority of the player base and creates these pointless threads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rovayn View Post
    Try playing a holy paladin for a change. You won't get any loot. Nowhere. Ever.

    Well, in DF/LFR, that is.
    I don't see how it's effected? My girlfriend's holy paladin hit 90 3 weeks ago and is healing through ToT LFR's now. The drops rates are insane for the first 3 raids, now and the rarity of item type (Healing plate) has nothing to do with whether or not you get a drop, now.
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    do you think the 10 and 25 man versions are any better than the LFR right now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thylacine View Post
    Now, you're stuck with LFR and a terrible drop rate.
    15% chance of an item you can use is pretty close to what you would get from a 25M normal or heroic. Maybe a little lower, and definitely lower if you're with a group that has farmed the content a while and is willing to pass items to you. But 15% is about what a "fresh" tier is like for normal and heroic raiders.

  7. #227
    1 thing I hate is not the drop rate but seeing the same dame item drop if loot actually does drop. I've so far seen 6 sha axes, 3 belts off another boss, 2 rings and nothing hardly else. It really sucks when you do actually get a drop and it's the exact same thing you've seen so many times. I know QQ but it sucks.

  8. #228
    It used to take people weeks to get a single drop, I consider getting anything to be quite lucky and wouldn't complain for a moment.
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    Hey OP I took a pair of Dice and Rolled them 100 times. The number 12 ONLY showed up TWO TIMES!!!

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    So much for "we just want to experience the content, too".
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    I WANT RAID GEAR CAUSE I AM RAIDING LFR.
    NOT GOING TO WAIT SEVERAL WEEKS FOR GEAR YOU KNOW.
    NOBODY CARES ABOUT THE STORY, I WANT GEAR AND I WANT IT NOW.

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  12. #232
    Quote Originally Posted by quikbunny View Post
    This mentality is so old. Why? Because the game has changed now. We no longer have 5 man heroics to give new and returning players a step up in the gearing process. All this has been merged into LFR.

    Whilst I know that 5.0 LFR drop rates were buffed, the gear is shit. For a player to stand a chance in getting into a guild running ToT they pretty much need full 502 gear. Yes, they can get it from the nerfed 5.0 heroic content, but lets be honest, finding a pug, getting into a pug and finding a pug that will clear 16/16hc is not so easy.

    Simple solution, that pretty much confirms my status as the king of obvious solutions:

    Buff ToT LFR Drop rates.
    Add LFR Thunderforged items, low chance to drop.

    Solves 2 issues. Makes LFR the loot pinatta Blizzard have forced it to be, and gives players a reason to carry on running it for the chance at getting Thunderforged upgrades in the future.
    This is the most nonsensical bullshit I've ever seen. First of all, if you are good enough to get into a good guild, they'll see it in the trial period. Any truly half-decent guild isn't going to put 5.2 LFR gear as the minimum for raiders. They'll know they'll get more oomph out of a 5.0 geared person who knows what the fuck to do than a 5.2 geared person that can't stay out of fire.

    Second of all, you've never been able to jump straight into a guild, day 1, geared as heavily as somebody that raided the last tier. You just haven't. Guild recruiters also know this. Gear is, and should be, the last thing recruiters consider, outside of basic itemization choices.

    Third of all, LFR level thunderforged? What the fuck?

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  13. #233
    I'm at 14/15 runes wasted for extra $$

    The only rune i got an item from was a missklick in LFR...

    So you are not entitled to an item, but some of us are even more unlucky keep that in mind OP

  14. #234
    When I raided with a guild, most of the fun for me was in teamwork and progression.

    LFR is different. It involves no teamwork, and gives no sense of progression. Loot is the only reason to do it, so I understand if people get frustrated by lack of drops.

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    I went through a whole tier without a 2hander upgrade, no sympathy for you sorry.

  16. #236
    Seriously.. what you people are saying. Literally:

    "Boohoo, my D20 never rolls a 18-20, they should make it so I always roll that"

    RNG is RNG. Deal. With. It.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bemlikanz View Post
    Hey fellows!
    So, Im sick of RF.
    502 items are good if u see my gear (im 496 atm) and Im TRYING to farm some 502 LFR gear...
    BUT, since it avaible, i've been killing all bosses and I got 2 items so far...
    Actually it was 3, but one was repeated and I desenchanted it...
    So, when will it work??
    If I dont farm tokens of bonus roll I will drop 2 items every month??
    Thanks blizz, to piss me off every week!
    There IS a solution to your problem.. its called join a raiding guild...

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  18. #238
    The reason that LFR drop rates are so frustrating to a lot of people right now is because regular mode ToT is massively overtuned for the demographic / gear-level players it's intended for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seranthor View Post
    There IS a solution to your problem.. its called join a raiding guild...
    The majority of people running LFR cannot or do not want to commit to regular, organised raiding so how is joining a raiding guild a solution?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HardCoder View Post
    15% chance of an item you can use is pretty close to what you would get from a 25M normal or heroic. Maybe a little lower, and definitely lower if you're with a group that has farmed the content a while and is willing to pass items to you. But 15% is about what a "fresh" tier is like for normal and heroic raiders.
    Statistically, 15% might be fine; but it’s looking like a lot less than that for the individuals in my guild who are simply trying to catch up. I know, I know, RNG is RNG, I shouldn’t complain, some people went four generations before crit bracers dropped, okay, I get it. Yet our guild worked hard to kill Megaera last night, only to see both mail items on her loot table drop without a shaman or hunter in the raid.

    When LFR is the only option for combating that type of bad luck and catching up, and it’s a horror show every time you go in there, I think 15% is probably too low – and this problem is compounded when normal mode raids are as brutally punitive as they are for the vast majority of the playerbase.

    Casual guilds should be able to have a few good players carry a few weaker ones in normal modes. It worked in WotLK, and casual guilds have pretty much been obliterated since Cataclysm with Blizzard now effectively saying “go do LFR if you’re not good enough for normals”.

    It’s unhelpful, lazy and insulting to take this stance; yet, here we are arguing about it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fencers View Post
    Well, it is possible for people, many people actually, to not think very highly of World of Warcraft. Those self same people may even consider other games in the genre superior due to their own subjective qualifiers. Qualifiers which are just as valid as the subjective qualifiers of those whom believe World of Warcraft is a "23 out of 10".

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