So, let's just go over your hypothetical for Windows, which seems to be the most common user profile.
The limitations of the stack and heap here are typically just under 4 GB for a 32-bit single program (and I have to assume you are using a 32 bit binary because with 64 bit, your argument really doesn't make any sense, and my game launcher uses the 64-bit version), and Windows tends to allocate chunks of contiguous heap in ~2 GB chunks. However, Windows uses a virtual addressing space called the Physical Address Extension (PAE) which allows 32-bit Windows user-mode applications to use more than 4GB of memory when running on a 64 bit architecture (such as most computers you can buy). For your argument to hold water, the game would need to exhaust its available allocation. I'm not seeing anything like that.
The only other thing I can think of with your comment is about paged memory versus non-paged memory versus disk-emulated memory (memory that has been mapped to the hard drive). In this case, I'm assuming you're a super advanced user who would actually understand how to set their page size and disk emulated memory. Though the latter can cause ms latency spikes with writes especially, it's hardly in line with whatever you were trying to say. What typically happens within the OS realm is that the OS keeps a memory cache of this disk cache within pages and the OS does some smart synchronization between the page profile and the hard disk after writes for virtual memory usage. Is your claim that the addons are loading more than the 500MB of addressable paged memory per process and that Stampede is causing a cascading page fault (which would require some truly bad chained database and memory interaction strategies)? Or are you literally claiming that the game is taking more than 4 GBs of memory when Stampede is used and we should assume everyone is running a 32-bit client for this memory argument to make sense? For perspective, the memory usage for WoW on my machine doesn't seem to go above 1.6 GB with full addons going. As for disk-emulated memory, I also use a solid-state drive, so even then, the seek latency is minimal and the throughput is high.
When you have something other than a one liner, feel free to share. Otherwise, I would tread carefully with your sarcasm.
Last edited by Effinhunter; 2013-04-08 at 05:48 PM.
Greg Street @Ghostcrawler 3h
Is anyone having trouble with Stampede lag who is running modless? As far as we know, this is an add-on issue, not one of our bugs.
--- POsted 3 hours ago. THIS EXISTED ON PTR WHEN NO ADDONS WERE ENABLED
Anyway, imagine your... Computer as hierarchy stating from the metal (hardware) to the top running application - e.g. hardware -> BIOS -> OS -> WoW -> Skada.
If any of layers are able to make problems in the underlining tiers, then the first layer below problematic application is coded in the wrong way. If this really is a problem caused by addon, then we should all get the message as soon as Stampede is up - "Addon X has stopped working!"
Small update from GC:
@angryMeleti We can't reproduce Stampede lag sans add-ons. If anyone has any steps, we can try them out.@angryMeleti Also, it might happen if anyone in your group has a bad or outdated addon, not just the hunter.@angryMeleti Somehow related to error handlers not handling unknown unit frames correctly, esp. on big fights like Ji-Kun / SoF.I'm going to see if I can produce the bug myself tonight, but if anyone has some more information feel free to jump in.@angryMeleti It's certainly possible we're wrong or don't have the whole story, but that is our current information on Stampede lag.
Keep in mind, WoW is an 8+(?) year old game that has had a bunch of stuff basically crammed in and expected to work. If Blizz would actually redesign the games engine for technology made in, let's say, the last 5 years, crap like this wouldn't happen. There's a reason people can claim to run the latest Crysis on the highest settings at 60 FPS and choke out in 25m in WoW.
Of course, I just meant things were more likely to happen with the Frankenstein-ish code base WoW must be by now. Add-ons, however, do seem to have some play in this, though I think it's a bit early for anyone (including GC) to say that they are the sole reason.
Again, why is Ghostcrawler ignoring the fact this happened on PTR during testing when ADDONS WERE DISABLED
This is a coding issue that doesn't properly interact with specific encounters.
Having addons disabled personally does not actually rule out an addon problem, because addons can spam other players within a raid group through channel-based messaging that happens behind the scenes.
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They didn't, I accidentally used it on lei shen a couple of hours ago and lost 3 people because of the lag.
ive experienced this on lei shen as well
but once again
this happened on PTR testing.............when addons were disabled for ptr..............so no one had addons........dundundundundundudn