View Poll Results: Do people of welfare contribute to society

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  • Yes and they shoud be allowed to vote

    121 54.02%
  • Yes but they should be allowed to vote till they work

    6 2.68%
  • No, but they should be allowed to vote

    41 18.30%
  • No and they should not be allowed to vote

    56 25.00%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ebb View Post
    This is exactly why people lose their minds. The very concept you believe someone on welfare is spending all their allowance on the horses is a potential "mental" problem only reinforces his statement. If we allow mental patients to vote whats stoping them from running for government?

    I cant wait until we make the next craigslist killer president.
    Most mentally ill doesn't wish to see such attention as doing so. But would rather have an educated person whom is on welfare to run for a seat, than having a guy without education but working, to run a spot. Some people sadly do let their income dwindle on a race track, but for some it's hope for a better life than sitting as a welfare reciever.

    Sorry to say this, but I'm pretty sure that being on welfare is actually a punishment. I'm on welfare and it just barely covers rent, medicinal items, standard bills (phone, power, heating, so on). There is actually no money for insurance really, I have one to cover my home, but don't have for myself. It's not like we are swooning with money and throwing it everywhere. Sadly some have a wrong priority yes, that is what should be investigated by the state instead of stamping all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill

    I would rather live in a world where people with education get to decide the future instead.
    while i can understand the sentiment, who/what determines if someone is educated enough? all works well if the right person sets the standards, but history has shown us it's more likely to be someone more akin to rush limbaugh making such rules
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    Im in the same position, I know people who have been on benefits all their life and have nothing wrong with them and don't work,

    I also know people who are on full benefits, medical as well as dole, who also work 5 days a week, and they've been doing it all their lifes,

    but, I also know a few people, who have suddenly found themselves on benefits like the dole, and they go out and volunteer their time to somewhere, myself, I had to go on the dole a few years back and I took on extra work exp and did from 8am to 7pm 4 days a week in our local vets

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    Quote Originally Posted by holyunholy View Post
    People on welfare and so called disability benefits take in more than they give back to society. Even if they are capable of some sort of work, they prefer to not work and live at the expense of taxpayers. Someone I knew on benefits spent most of his time at the horse tracks betting his allowance.
    The welfare state and its abuse is extremely unfair to those who work and try to actually contribute to society. So if "welfarists" do not contribute to society should they have a say in how it runs ?

    Damn Typos !

    Do people on welfare contribute to society:

    Option 1 Yes and they should be allowed to vote
    Option 2 Yes but they should NOT be allowed to vote till they work
    Option 3 No but they should be allowed to vote
    Option 4 No and they should not be allowed to vote
    Well, spending money means you contribute. It matters little where the money comes from as long as it keeps being spent.

    I don't like how you think I'm a lazy slob that doesn't want to work though. Your generalizing is disgusting. You have no idea why I'm on welfare or why I've been unable to work the last 7 years. And I promise you, it's not enjoyable nor do I live a life of luxury. I've been eating rice and fishsticks for 1½ weeks. I would LOVE to be have a job, I would delight in the freedom and independance it would mean to have an income of my own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakexe View Post
    Cheers, I guess all that volunteer work I do at the animal shelter and children's ward doesn't mean shit while I wait on a transplant list barely living on disability welfare. I'll stop it now and become the lazy welfare stereotype you THINK is the norm.
    The same thought when I read that as well. I myself work as volunteering on the side of welfare as I can't handle a stable job. Hurts when people seems to cut off others. I think it's a human fear, they do not wish to connect themselves with the thought that what they see (you or me) could end up being them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    Why do you have to lump people with disabilities in there?
    Because they're "so called disabled people".

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    I would rather live in a world where people with education get to decide the future instead.
    Not all education is equal.

    For example, a Master's degree from Yale sounds good, but the results don't exactly follow from that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukentuts View Post
    You really don't know much about the economy, do you? The top few % don't "create jobs", demand is what creates jobs. In addition small business owners (hardly the 2%) are the entrepreneurial spirit of this country.

    If you cannot extrapolate from that graph that the lower and middle classes do contribute more than the top 2% (hint, that graph is in quintiles) then there really is no point in attempting to engage you in an intellectually coherent conversation.
    So you can't offer anything, just post a graph and say "quintiles, so there". Expected as much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Incredibale View Post
    So you can't offer anything, just post a graph and say "quintiles, so there". Expected as much.
    It really isn't that difficult to discern if one utilizes basic cognitive functions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by holyunholy View Post
    The wealthy especially in the US are mostly self made and are wealthy because of their entrepreneurial spirit, innovation and have contributed to society in some way or the other.
    My question is what do the people on eternal welfare contribute to society ? If they do not contribute , then should they have a say in how it runs ?

    I'm curious what it is you contribute to society that is making you think you should have more "say" in how it runs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybran View Post
    "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill

    I would rather live in a world where people with education get to decide the future instead.
    and who decides what is "educated" and who then decides who is educated
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    Quote Originally Posted by smelltheglove View Post
    while i can understand the sentiment, who/what determines if someone is educated enough? all works well if the right person sets the standards, but history has shown us it's more likely to be someone more akin to rush limbaugh making such rules
    Since education has been taken over by Marxists, feminists, and racialists, I doubt people like Limbaugh will be deciding who is and isn't educated enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Incredibale View Post
    Since education has been taken over by Marxists, feminists, and racialists, I doubt people like Limbaugh will be deciding who is and isn't educated enough.
    funny, i see more attempts to introduce religious doctrine into school curriculums than marxist theory. no doubt this is because of the "liberal media", or "because obama"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rotted View Post
    Im in the same position, I know people who have been on benefits all their life and have nothing wrong with them and don't work,

    I also know people who are on full benefits, medical as well as dole, who also work 5 days a week, and they've been doing it all their lifes,

    but, I also know a few people, who have suddenly found themselves on benefits like the dole, and they go out and volunteer their time to somewhere, myself, I had to go on the dole a few years back and I took on extra work exp and did from 8am to 7pm 4 days a week in our local vets
    Right but then in your case, you are not on permanent welfare. You found yourself unemployed and you got benefits, which you paid for through you employment insurance contributions. When you work, you pay an income tax. I am talking about people who are permanently on welfare. How are they productive members of society ? It unfortunately is not as rare as it should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Incredibale View Post
    Since education has been taken over by Marxists, feminists, and racialists, I doubt people like Limbaugh will be deciding who is and isn't educated enough.
    Do you have examples of Marxist, feminist and racialist influence in the K-12 education system with respect to material taught? I ask this because having gone through that system less than 5 years ago, I mysteriously never encountered this stuff you're claiming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukentuts View Post
    From an economic standpoint, they contribute more than wealthy that hoard.

    PS: The idea that welfare abuse is rampant is nothing more that political posturing.
    But the fact that the number of people on unemployment and such is at an all time high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rotted View Post
    Im in the same position, I know people who have been on benefits all their life and have nothing wrong with them and don't work,
    Disability benefits? I find it hard to believe there would be 'nothing wrong with them' since it was hard as hell for me to get disability benefits to start with in Sweden. Then again, I don't know where you live.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Masark View Post
    Because they're "so called disabled people".



    Not all education is equal.

    For example, a Master's degree from Yale sounds good, but the results don't exactly follow from that.
    Depends on the degree as well. Philosophy or Literature are pretty weak degrees to have in the job market. Most sciences and engineering are almost the two mostly needed fields in the job market.

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    Your first sentence is a statement. "People on welfare and so-called disability benefits take in more than they give back to society." You then ask the question: "Do people on welfare contribute to society?" ... So are you trying to just see who agrees with you or are you trying to engage in a healthy debate? Just judging from your first paragraph your wording implies that people on disability are not legitimately disabled enough not to work; and people on welfare are as a whole people who choose to stay on welfare and don't work.

    So while I assume you're just trying to get people to share your opinion, and have absolutely no interest in an actual discussion, let me discuss briefly why your suggestion to tie voting eligibility to ones economic contribution is a terrible idea. I'll even use a big font.

    Doing this re-creates serfdom

    The United States often refers to its citizens by various economic-tied class titles. Middle-class, Upper-class, Lower-class. These are informal titles that are used only for clarification purposes. A person who is Upper-class has the exact same rights as someone who is Lower-class. Your plan changes that. It opens up rights to be tied to ones economic status.

    Not only do you re-formalize serfdom; you've essentially said "Screw the Bill of Rights" and slapped History in the face. I hope upon reading this that you look over your opinion in horror as the knowledge that your idea seeks to recreate the foundation for such fun times as the French Revolution washes over you like an ice cold bath.


    Please refrain from supersizing your font; it is disruptive to the conversation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Linkedblade View Post
    But the fact that the number of people on unemployment and such is at an all time high.
    Are you looking at absolute numbers or percentages? If you look at percentages, you'll see that this is not an all time high for unemployment.
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