Romanian and Bulgarian migrants 'unlikely to head for UK' – report

[Deleted]

Not excusing it, but trying to get him to accept the reality of it and try to change it rather than give up.

Bulgaria will go to the dogs without the massive funding it gets from the EU anyway.

They might be forced to modernize then. What a tragedy.

[Cybran]

Not excusing it, but trying to get him to accept the reality of it and try to change it rather than give up.

You can't change that festering pit of hypocrisy.

Bulgaria will go to the dogs without the massive funding it gets from the EU anyway.

I would risk that over staying and being assimilated for sure.

[Elegiac]

You can't change that festering pit of hypocrisy.

It will change regardless of active efforts or no, by virtue of the fact that governments always change when confronted by crises.

I would risk that over staying and being assimilated for sure.

You're going to be assimilated either way, unless you close yourself off like North Korea. Welcome to 21st century globalisation.

[Cybran]

It will change regardless of active efforts or no, by virtue of the fact that governments always change when confronted by crises.

Which will never happen. The Union will either dissolve or become an even more centralized authoritarian structure. Leaving as soon as possible is preferable.

You're going to be assimilated either way, unless you close yourself off like North Korea. Welcome to 21st century globalisation.

There have been far more dire periods of history that didn't lead to our assimilation. Globalization doesn't have to mean surrendering your identity. Which is what the EU wants us to do.

[khalltusk]

Which will never happen. The Union will either dissolve or become an even more centralized authoritarian structure. Leaving as soon as possible is preferable.


There have been far more dire periods of history that didn't lead to our assimilation. Globalization doesn't have to mean surrendering your identity. Which is what the EU wants us to do.

Whether we like it or not, the EU does look like it is going to try and form some sort of super state in the future. There was a fair few articles in the UK about it. The original deal was made to get Britain into the EU (it was called differently then) but under a common "market" selling the idea that it was more a trade deal. Slowly over time its grown to what it is today. But it was mostly planned a long time ago.

As much as I dislike the idea a group of nations has a better chance of competing with large nations like china/us etc than alone. But it has to be done right. That I guess is the true question can they do it right and sadly I don't think so far that they have.

[Deleted]

As much as I dislike the idea a group of nations has a better chance of competing with large nations like china/us etc than alone. But it has to be done right. That I guess is the true question can they do it right and sadly I don't think so far that they have.

It's not "they". "They" don't do it, it's you and me and everyone else that needs to do it. As long as nationalism and territorial autonomy is still considered a goal for some ethical groups in EU countries, it's hard to do it. You can't force people to think or see the benefits if they choose not to see it. From my experience, ignorant and stubborn people will choose to live in hard conditions then to "accept" help, go about by their "rules" and won't question or reconsider them.

[khalltusk]

It's not "they". "They" don't do it, it's you and me and everyone else that needs to do it. As long as nationalism and territorial autonomy is still considered a goal for some ethical groups in EU countries, it's hard to do it. You can't force people to think or see the benefits if they choose not to see it. From my experience, ignorant and stubborn people will choose to live in hard conditions then to "accept" help, go about by their "rules" and won't question or reconsider them.

They being the leaders of the nations who seemingly bungle everything and run a corrupt system? It is they. OFC that does not mean we can't do anything to either show our displeasure at the way certain things are run, or try to make better changes.

To be clear, the "they" I was referring to was how the financial crisis and the way governments spent their money and got into silly levels of debt shows that a lot of the european countries governments were really not doing a good job of making the whole EU work. Nothing more to say than that really. Theres way more factors in it obviously.

[Elegiac]

Which will never happen. The Union will either dissolve or become an even more centralized authoritarian structure. Leaving as soon as possible is preferable.

"Dissolving or becoming an even more centralized authoritarian structure" is in fact changing. Since most of the EU's problems stem from the fact its central government isn't able to enforce a lot of things (the low absorption rates in countries with corrupt or crap governments, for instance), the latter change would be a welcome one.

There have been far more dire periods of history that didn't lead to our assimilation. Globalization doesn't have to mean surrendering your identity. Which is what the EU wants us to do.

During such "dire" periods, assimilation was actually rather widespread, but revived by extreme conservatives under the banner of nationalism. Furthermore, such conservatives arise more easily during periods of frontal cultural assault rather than passive ones as per globalization.

[Archangel Tyrael]

No it's reality. Socialists don't really believe in national sovereignty, and many businesses and Conservatives love cheap labour and love to suck all the talent out of other countries because it's cheaper than training people at home.

You have to face facts. The powers that be want a borderless world. Nationalists have been marginalized into oblivion.

This is one of the reasons why recessions are usually a good thing because people start believing in trade protectionism more and support home grown businesses because it's better for everyone.

Wait, what are you actually talking about? You went from talking about no borders existing, to mentioning ''Socialists'' and then ''Nationalists''

I've no idea what you're actually trying to get into.

[Deleted]

Wait, what are you actually talking about? You went from talking about no borders existing, to mentioning ''Socialists'' and then ''Nationalists''

I've no idea what you're actually trying to get into.

Then take a political science class. Many people believe in a "global society" especially people on the left of the political spectrum.

When it comes to globalization you really cannot win. All you can do is adapt. The biggest resistance to this nonsense ironically comes from the country that is pushing it the most: the U.S.

What most people don't realise is that a perfect system cannot be created by imperfect men. But since we can't fight global trade and integration we can at least profit from it.

[Kraenen]

That's what you think.

Yes it is what he thinks, who else would be saying it?

[Khraine]

Some romanians and bulgarians are alright, just as long as they don't come like they did with the polish, when the government opened the floodgates. But i'd rather have those theiving gypsies locked up until they change their culture to one without making misery for everyone else. That sort of culture should have died out long ago. Once they change i guess the hatred will dissapear in a generation or two, but i guess thieves will always be thieves.