They shouldnt remove racials but they should try to balance it a bit more, its really sad for some classes like my beloved druid who can only be 4 races, and only 1 of them have a decent racial ability.
Tbh Blizzard should either replace Human racial with something else, or they should give every race a baseline Every Man for Himself and delete the medallion from the game. Only way to balance it
Last edited by Machomaije; 2013-04-06 at 04:35 PM.
And if pvp power was unique to 1 trinket then wouldn't that make PvE trinkets BiS for the second slot?
I think they should remove all passive and non-passive direct damage increasing racials and change some interesting non-damage passives to active skills for the races that had their active damage racial removed. Who's gonna cry because they lost their 1% haste? 1% less shadow dmg taken isn't probably won't cause people to reroll to that race so I think defensives are OK.
Are people still complaining about EmfH? Not like Horde doesn't have useful racials (Will of the Forsaken, Hardiness, Blood Fury, War Stomp). Most PVPers have gone Horde due to racials as it is, and based on EU que times there's much more Horde PVPers than Alliance (Practically instant Alliance ques, Horde have 5 mins average). Also Vanguards, Reckful and Venruki all went Horde due to racials being better for Orc and Undead.
Also no point making PVP Trinkets Unique, already hearing things that 522 Valor Trinkets are better for PVP atm.
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Humans have always been ridiculous later in the expac.
This time they just reach the relative state of power of an expacs last season towering highly above all other races earlier than normal. It's kind of hard to imagine how silly things will even be in S14.
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horde does have useful racials.
But emfh is a true game changer. It always works against all comps guaranteed no matter what. The amount of additional pressure an all-human team can put out is entirely incomparable to anything else, nothing comes even remotely close, especially in the current state of the game where uncounterabe instant CC and burst is what wins games.
Comparing "good" pvp racials like wotf with "godlike" pvp racials like emfh makes no sense.
emfh is equivalent to old wotf with immunity included.
No competent pvper would object to giving up wotf and taking emfh instead.
By the way before MoP all the best PvP players were alliance because of PvE trinkets. Some top players changed for their own reasons, the sheep followed that's how it always goes. Top players will migrate back to alliance before this expac is done for certain.
Racials are a great business for Blizzard thanks to race/faction change. But they are harmful to the games integrity and should just be removed. Let people play what they like aesthetically. You might even get to see something else other than humans orcs and undead(+druids) in arena once in a while.
Last edited by mmoc10839b38d9; 2013-04-06 at 05:35 PM.
I really wish they'd just change it to something else entirely.
This is getting old.
Funny that the overpowered Human racial is so OP that nearly every main Human player has changed to Orc for the last 2 official, and last 3 fan run tournaments.
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I assume you mean the fact that Humans can carry 2 1400 PvP Power trinkets while the other races carry the 400 PvP power freedom trinket?
If Blizzard is dead set against changing EMFH, another solution could be to just offer a Freedom trinket with 1400 PvP power instead of the Secondary Stat/400 Power combo it currently has.
It's not perfect, but it's a better solution than none.
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As with the rest of his post that you ignored. Tournament players are switching to Horde for their racials, despite you thinking EMFH is the best. Funny how all the 1600 Heroes seem to think EMFH is the end all, yet every actual high end PvP player is going the opposite direction.
What makes you think that a handful of rank 1 playes know more then anyone else, also whats good for a fan run turny isn't good for EVERY pvp setting. IF the freedom trinket had 1400 pvp power on it, no one would roll human. IMO EMFH should be baseline and no Racial should give you a dmg boost.
yea i know kinda messed up my post. i know pvp will be worth more then it is now for healer. but he is talking about 1k extra pvp power. but it is not "extra" because you can alrdy get them. and all this will do is let healer get more healing while using pvp power. so pve items will not take the upper hand for healers. same reason why they gave the pvp trinkets a stam boost.
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yep. 5% extra pvp power is nice for random bg where static dps matters somewhat. but a well placed silence can win a battle. or a rocket jump and los a choasbolt is worth far more then a extra bit of static damage
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Unless you're vying for rank 1 or world first, racials don't matter worth crap.
But that doesn't change the fact that the human racial right now NEEDS to be changed. Not because it's op but because Every Man for Himself should be baseline for ALL classes. And this would do humans the great service of leaving an open racial slot for a potential pve upgrade.
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What are you basing that on exactly? The only racials we have that are any practical use in PvP these days are Arcane Torrent and WotF. Neither of which even hold a candle to a free bloody trinket slot. If anything, I would expect people riding the OP racial train to switch to Worgen or Gnome.
I should also point out that your own logic is incriminating. If the power of EMFH is the only thing holding some massive amount of players to stay with the Alliance, you are practically admitting it is overpowered.
Completely irrelevant in this period of the game. Trying to excuse EMFH because WotF was overpowered in Vanilla is foolish. When you also consider Vanilla was wildly unbalanced and some DPS specs literally did double the damage of others, your argument looks even more silly. You are comparing apples to moon rocks in an attempt to divert focus from the current issue.It's ironic how the tables have turned since vanilla WoW when the Horde had all the best PVP racials. But anyone who thinks the Horde racials are bad now couldn't be more wrong.
Hmm let me see, mages could solo pretty much anyone from 80-0 in a single deep with a shatter + bomb combo. The stun reduction allowed you to get out of the deep before the bomb landed.
In cases you didn't get out of the deep in time and the bomb landed, stuff like this happens: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZknKn0nJd4Q&t=26m0s