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    Why hasn't Wintergasp Veteran been nerfed?

    In 4.3 Tol Barad Veteran had its achievement nerfed from 100 to 25 victories. Shouldn't the same logic apply to Wintergrasp Veteran? They are both outdoor BGs.

    Wintergrasp isn't even as active as it once even with the MoP changes to it. It takes forever to do, It's buggy where your vehicle randomly destroys itself and causes you to lose your rank.

    So I'm curious, why hasn't this been nerfed when Tol Barad was?

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    Tol Barad was hard to get in, especially on one-faction realms because amount of playes had to be nearly equal. And you might get in Wintergasp even if you are 98th tauren against one gnome.
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    I don't know... Maybe it has to do with the differences of TB and WG..... For WG it's basically totally irrelevant who controls it. For TB that's not the case. Or maybe, the player base during WotLK wasn't as whiney as it was during Cata.... Blizzard usually nerfs content according to feedback.

    But in all honesty, what is there to be nerfed now? WG is abandoned. If anything at all, then there should be a nerf to the Wintergrasp Ranger Achievement, or remove it.At this point that achievement is almost impossible. You basically need a friend with a toon of the opposing faction, to kill him at the different locations.
    The Veterans achievement is a freebie. You have to have a streak of very bad luck to not be basically alone there and do your thing til the battle is over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Nikotin View Post
    Tol Barad was hard to get in, especially on one-faction realms because amount of playes had to be nearly equal. And you might get in Wintergasp even if you are 98th tauren against one gnome.
    That is changed too....
    The balance to WG came with the Balance to TB mechanic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Nikotin View Post
    Tol Barad was hard to get in, especially on one-faction realms because amount of playes had to be nearly equal. And you might get in Wintergasp even if you are 98th tauren against one gnome.
    Not since 2 weeks before Cataclysm. They have imposed the same group restrictions on WG that there are on TB so no, you can't be 100 against 1 anymore. Which pretty much makes it just as hard to get in WG as it does to TB. So the OP's argument should indeed apply to WG as well.
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    I'd be more interested in them "nerfing" the achievement in WG that says like kill 5 players in all these locations... I'm sure that was a fine achievement when more than 1 person a game went to those locations (if even 1 goes).

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    I am sitting on 83 wins with my main. During WotLK I wasn't the biggest PVPer at all. Still am not. Whenever I have the time, and WG is up, I go there. Most of the time I do, I am all alone by myself. I get a free win basically. Winning that battle is zero problem. It's really the achievement to kill 10 enemies at the various locations within WG. That achievement is rather impossible, due to the lack of any enemies present at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slime View Post
    I'd be more interested in them "nerfing" the achievement in WG that says like kill 5 players in all these locations... I'm sure that was a fine achievement when more than 1 person a game went to those locations (if even 1 goes).
    It's 10 players Even worse lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildtree View Post
    That is changed too....
    The balance to WG came with the Balance to TB mechanic.
    Well, now it is. But nerf of TB achievement wasn't now.
    LF something funny to place here.

    English isn't my native, sorry for possible mistakes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Nikotin View Post
    Well, now it is. But nerf of TB achievement wasn't now.
    you said one can do a WG battle of 98 vs 1. And that isn't the case anymore for years. Before that change the party with less numbers had a stacking buff. Depending how much imbalance there was, it was possible to even see 300k health pools on the other party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildtree View Post
    I am sitting on 83 wins with my main. During WotLK I wasn't the biggest PVPer at all. Still am not. Whenever I have the time, and WG is up, I go there. Most of the time I do, I am all alone by myself. I get a free win basically. Winning that battle is zero problem. It's really the achievement to kill 10 enemies at the various locations within WG. That achievement is rather impossible, due to the lack of any enemies present at all.

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    It's 10 players Even worse lol
    That is a bad one, but not the worse one.
    This is the one you should really hate =>Didn't Stand a Chance
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grim Reaper View Post
    That is a bad one, but not the worse one.
    This is the one you should really hate =>Didn't Stand a Chance
    Thanks for reminding me about that one. -.-
    Quote Originally Posted by Erin View Post
    I only saw a few minutes of it but it looked slicker than a lubed up olympic swimmer fleeing from a shark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grim Reaper View Post
    That is a bad one, but not the worse one.
    This is the one you should really hate =>Didn't Stand a Chance
    I was going to bring that up. After hundreds of WGs during Wrath I still didnt have that ach. I finished it off in Cata by using my 2nd account alliance DK I leveled first for Halaa tokens, then that.

    My suggestion if you want some of these achs is to post on you servers forums for a WG server event kind of like people do for Halaa. Then you can finish up with 100 victories by doing what we did in Wrath: queuing up every WG and trying to win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildtree View Post
    IIt's really the achievement to kill 10 enemies at the various locations within WG. That achievement is rather impossible, due to the lack of any enemies present at all.
    Ask your friend to log alt from another faction. This achievement takes about 20 mins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grim Reaper View Post
    That is a bad one, but not the worse one.
    This is the one you should really hate =>Didn't Stand a Chance
    That was easy for me.. Done it with a buddy.. Get naked, ride into cannon range, get 2 - 3 shot. Run back, rez... Repeat. Goes quite fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serissa View Post
    Ask your friend to log alt from another faction. This achievement takes about 20 mins.
    Takes a lot longer than 20 minutes. Myself, I have 4 locations left. 4 x 10 = 40 kills. That's at least 40 minutes. Counting every kill takes about 1 minute from killing - rezzing - running back. Not counting the increasing rez timer.
    The initial Op was about winning WG.. That's totally possible alone. The sub achievements are some totally impossible alone, due to lack of enemies. You have to fake them all with friends.

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    Wildtree, have fun getting into WG on my server, we don't have ANY Alliance left while Orgrimmar is filled to the brim. If you're lucky you get in 1/10 tries at best. They should at the very least make this BS account wide.

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    Honestly, I think blizzard forgot about very old bg achievements like wintergrasp and the amount of people that still needs them/wants them versus the number of people that actually try and do them per wintergrasp que.

    But ya, even in Wrath when wintergrasp was live, I had a friend alliance that provided me the kills in wintergrasp's specific location due to the unpopularity of those spots. Takes sometime due to the run back and debuff put on you preventing you from being honorable kill for chain kills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Williee View Post
    But ya, even in Wrath when wintergrasp was live, I had a friend alliance that provided me the kills in wintergrasp's specific location due to the unpopularity of those spots. Takes sometime due to the run back and debuff put on you preventing you from being honorable kill for chain kills.
    That's how I got mine too. No one ever went there otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildtree View Post
    That was easy for me.. Done it with a buddy.. Get naked, ride into cannon range, get 2 - 3 shot. Run back, rez... Repeat. Goes quite fast.

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    Takes a lot longer than 20 minutes. Myself, I have 4 locations left. 4 x 10 = 40 kills. That's at least 40 minutes. Counting every kill takes about 1 minute from killing - rezzing - running back. Not counting the increasing rez timer.
    The initial Op was about winning WG.. That's totally possible alone. The sub achievements are some totally impossible alone, due to lack of enemies. You have to fake them all with friends.
    You fail to realise theres Spirit Healers that res you in 30 seconds and you can chose what part of WG you can be ressed at.

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    In addition to this & Wintergrasp in general. What did ever happen with the tenancy buff achievement ? (yeah smartasses im not sure about the name .. it had to do with one faction outnumbering the other one heavily) It used to give an achievement wich was taken out to be made into a Feat of Strenght. Never happened ....
    Then there is allot of rare mounts that don't have an Feat of Strenght achiev for them while allot of others have (no for stonecore / vortex pinnacle,none for new ZG mounts (inb4 timed run za bear kid retards mistakes.) while i did get feat of strenght for the old zg ones + stratholme horse + anzu + kara mount etc ..
    I guess blizzard was working to hard on handing out all of there feat of strenght for killing pve bosses on normal mode .... (tbh ahead of the curve shit is total bullshit and blizzard is just going downhill each exp more and more ...)

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    Alot off achivements should be nerfed OP. Blame Blizzard for keep having dead servers up, instead of doing merges.
    One reason for WoW decline I often hear is that its an old game and naturally people get bored with it. But TV is much older and people still watch that. Surely if a thing you once enjoyed keept staying fun, you would still use it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregDub View Post
    In addition to this & Wintergrasp in general. What did ever happen with the tenancy buff achievement ? (yeah smartasses im not sure about the name .. it had to do with one faction outnumbering the other one heavily) It used to give an achievement wich was taken out to be made into a Feat of Strenght. Never happened ....
    Then there is allot of rare mounts that don't have an Feat of Strenght achiev for them while allot of others have (no for stonecore / vortex pinnacle,none for new ZG mounts (inb4 timed run za bear kid retards mistakes.) while i did get feat of strenght for the old zg ones + stratholme horse + anzu + kara mount etc ..
    I guess blizzard was working to hard on handing out all of there feat of strenght for killing pve bosses on normal mode .... (tbh ahead of the curve shit is total bullshit and blizzard is just going downhill each exp more and more ...)
    The tenacity ach was taken out because it was either impossible to get on unbalanced servers or promoted gaming the system by restricting gameplay. My server was pretty balanced during wrath but the Alliance never really queued for WG for some reason so the Horde never had tenacity.

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