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    Quote Originally Posted by hitandruntactic View Post
    what the hell are you talking about?
    You told me they are not liars, even though their propaganda is a bunch of lies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    You told me they are not liars, even though their propaganda is a bunch of lies.
    propaganda? Rofl really? Propaganda? You must enjoy making headcanons that don't exist. And flesh is weak? Sure, so is stone and metal, as it's been crushed, melted and obliterated all over Azeroth by mere flesh.

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    I think they were created by Metzen as a replacement for generic elves to be used in Warcraft III.

    That pretty much sums up my view at Warcraft lore in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurabolt View Post
    Elune/A'She are deities worshipped/revered by the Bight Elves/Tauren. Worship of The Light on Azaroth came a bit later with the Sindorei, Humans, Worgen, Dwarves and eventually Gnomes. Of course the Draenei predate even the Trolls as a race but they're not originally from Azaroth.
    I don't even know if I should consider this post a trolling attempt... but Bright Elves? Worship of the Light on Azeroth came a bit later with the Sindorei... Worgen...? What?

    Ugh. anyways. Elune is worshiped by the Night Elves (bright elves... oh, boy...), and, considering the Horde up to vanilla WoW does not truly worship the Light (Tauren worship the Sun, Trolls have their voodoo, Forsaken woship no one, and the Orcs... I have no idea), I believe it's a safe assumption to say that the Worship of the Light started with the Alliance. However, it's very hard, if not downright impossible, to say WHO between Dwarves and Humans began with the worshipping of the Light. I mean, Gnomes are technology-driven. So much so they didn't have priests until recently, and Night Elves, as mentioned before, worship Elune. Humans descent from the Vrykul of Northrend, and Dwarves descend from the Stone Dwarves who suffered the Curse of Flesh. But who came into being first is not defined, nor it is when the worship of the Light started, much less WHO started it.

    Hmm. I think I went on a tangent on the topic's subject. Better go back to it. Ahem. Anyways. As for the Origin of the Night Elves, I don't think Elune had a hand in it. I think it was simply the Well's energies that caused the mutations as generations passed. Yup, I don't think it was an instant thing, either. I think it happened over generations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert West View Post
    I think they were created by Metzen as a replacement for generic elves to be used in Warcraft III.

    That pretty much sums up my view at Warcraft lore in general.
    I don't think he expected them to be half as popular as they became

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitandruntactic View Post
    I don't think he expected them to be half as popular as they became
    They are generic, of course they are popular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitandruntactic View Post
    I don't think he expected them to be half as popular as they became
    Yep, and to compensate he turned the single original and interesting race in Warcraft into Humans' lapdogs and apathetic losers we see in WoW.
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    Anyone butthurt over the origin of Night Elves re-rolled ladygoat years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    They are generic, of course they are popular.
    There's very little generic about Night Elves or WoW Trolls for that matter. What's generic are boring races like humans, undead, and orcs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert West View Post
    Yep, and to compensate he turned the single original and interesting race in Warcraft into Humans' lapdogs and apathetic losers we see in WoW.
    In game they are awful because they have to be to make Horde players feel good about themselves; in stories/novels they still have teeth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitandruntactic View Post
    In game they are awful because they have to be to make Horde players feel good about themselves; in stories/novels they still have teeth.
    But Warcraft is a GAME universe, no matter how many rolls of TP covered with Knaak's graphomany is released. While I reluctanlty must accept the "lore" in Warcraft books as canon, the actual world of Warcraft is in WoW. Hence, it is what we see in game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    its a shame they officially made it that they evolved from trolls.


    now to explain dryads and keepers :\
    It's simple, Elune i just another titan construct similar to freya. She created race of keepers and dryads using malorne as a basic of her research. That would explain why she is cenarius "mother" and malorne is father. And we didn't even needed hentai for that. That would also explain why there are dryads and keepers inside ulduar - they are just another titanic creation, just more organic then most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert West View Post
    But Warcraft is a GAME universe, no matter how many rolls of TP covered with Knaak's graphomany is released. While I reluctanlty must accept the "lore" in Warcraft books as canon, the actual world of Warcraft is in WoW. Hence, it is what we see in game.
    I'll take whatever positive exists; we all know Metzen and Co. write for the Horde. Leave it to authors like Christie Golden and even Knaak to make some Alliance races look good.

    Anyone butthurt over the origin of Night Elves re-rolled ladygoat years ago.
    Wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    It's simple, Elune i just another titan construct similar to freya
    Elune and the Titan Eonar have a lot in common.

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    I love how it took 3 posts for this thread to become a "Is Elune a Naaru" wangfest.

    I think that dark trolls evolved into what we call night elves by exposure to the waters of the WoE over some time. Elune -being whatevah, whatevah she is- took interest in these creatures, and their form as well. Ultimately she mothered forest creatures like cenarius because she wanted to get her freak on/protect the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucizanito View Post
    Well we know very few things but of the information we have we know that they're mutated Dark Trolls and that Elune had a hand in mutating them using the Well of Eternity. (I am right correct?)

    However there are many blanks to be filled in but let's all discuss how you all think what happened. What do you think happened when they were in the transition from Troll to Elf?

    Since we have no canon evidence of how it all went down it's just going to be wishful thinking now.
    They did not Mutate, they Evolved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenjiNitari View Post
    They did not Mutate, they Evolved.
    Mutation drives evolution. Don't worry about the haters throwing around "mutant" to diss the clearly superior elves.

    Show a Night Elf and a Troll side by side to any random human on the planet and ask them which looks like it crawled out of pool of toxic waste they'll all point to the troll.

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    My theory is that the night elves evolved from dark trolls over the course of few generations while in close proximity to the well of eternity. Makes the most sense, alongside them being entirely transformed over a couple years into their current form. I mean, it IS a lake of incredibly potent arcane energy, it's possible it could transform a race into a more evolved state over the course of a year or two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    It's simple, Elune i just another titan construct similar to freya. She created race of keepers and dryads using malorne as a basic of her research. That would explain why she is cenarius "mother" and malorne is father. And we didn't even needed hentai for that. That would also explain why there are dryads and keepers inside ulduar - they are just another titanic creation, just more organic then most.
    When talking about the Twin Consorts one dev confirmed that she WAS the spirit of the Moon. So I think they're just pointing out that she may just be divine and not made. A true deity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    its a shame they officially made it that they evolved from trolls.


    now to explain dryads and keepers :\
    Keepers are the sons of Elune and Malorne. same with Dryads. Night elves stay former Dark trolls

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucizanito View Post
    When talking about the Twin Consorts one dev confirmed that she WAS the spirit of the Moon. So I think they're just pointing out that she may just be divine and not made. A true deity.
    There is one thing that speaks against elune being true deity. IF we assume that she indeed doesnt have any bonds to 4 big "space" factions (titans, naaru, old gods, legion) They simply wouldnt leave her alone. Old gods would like to drive her insane, titans to subdue and controll her, and legion to kill her. And i highly doubt she could match Sargeras, Patheon or Influence of the old gods. If we had any other mentions of deities i would be able to go with her being goddes. But for now im pretty sure she is member of bigger groups. Keep in mind that only other "god" we met so far was C'thun who was infact worshipped by Qiraji (who have suprisingly similar social structure to night elves with priest caste and warrior caste), and he turned out to be octopus with giant eyeball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuja View Post
    It's not a she, but it. Or do Naarus have genders o:
    The "Elune is maybe a Naaru"-deal is so far conjecture, hinted at but not definitive, so let's leave the last bit of NE-related mystique intact for a bit :P

    I'm pretty sure it's canon though that the night elves-to-be settled near the well of eternity at some point and from that they turned into Night elves as we know them now (Not said anywhere how much time that transformation took, could have taken years, or generations, or maybe they just used a moon stone :P ), it hasn't been explicitly said what they started out as though, although the... ubiquitous nature of trolls (They're EVERYWHERE! >_< ) does make them good candidates as ancestor race.

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