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Simcrafts weren't really run with proper use of trinkets and its just that major for Demonology. Also the haste stacking is boosting your Imp CD + RPPM trinkets, which means a Breath is most likely a better option then a Cha'ye for this type of Demonology.
The destruction profile is still terrible (and it's not that far behind) if you optimize the profile a bit and play around trinkets.
Also i dont think Lei Shen trinket + destruction is good, because the casttime / traveltime + lei shen proc, just doesn't seem to work well together. In simcraft you obviously hit the target instantly, thus resulting in using your trinket somewhat good, while in reality you will barely ever use it good.
It's still bugged on fights like Durumu though, with 30% uptime if your guild has adds up from dispells
What do you mean by "hit the target instantly"?
Major reason Destruction profile is lower then demo / affl is also how well new meta gem scales with Affliction and Demo, while destro is a very small upgrade compared, because the 3% increased crit scales well with chaos bolt
Btw, i simply added breath of hydra procs to both CB and SB lines, and this resulted in 2k increase, 144 to 146. Somehow lowering 3,5 ember value to 3,2 increased the dmg by few hunderd dps as well. Did that as i noticed ember overflow in my results.
Damage of Spells is calculated at the end of the cast and then starts flying.
Regarding BH.. I assume you are using the "old" profile from the latest release?
The latest CB Line is
chaos_bolt,if=ember_react&target.health.pct>20&(buff.backdraft.stack<3|level<86)&(burning_ ember>(4.5-active_enemies)|buff.dark_soul.remains>cast_time|buff.skull_banner.remains>cast_time|(trin ket.proc.intellect.react&trinket.proc.intellect.remains>cast_time))
and the trinket.** stuff should already take care of the BH proc.
The exact number for when to cast unbuffed Chaos Bolts depends on a gazillion factors, so it's using something simple, but I can definitely see that changing it in some direction improves dps for a given profile.
hmm I'm quite sceptical about use of Sac for Demo. Even with UVLS. To me it t15 set is modeled around the mentality of Faster Fury generation and cheaper cost on spells in Meta to give it higher uptime. Pets improve fury generation. It seems counterproductive to me to use Sac for demo because it would lower the frequency of metas and lower its uptime. Personally I would rather have more meta phases/higher uptime on them vs. Sac to improve my damage. Not to mention Sac would not work on fights that require aoe (horidon, tortos, Ji Kun, Lei Shen to a degree) or phases where you can't hit the boss reliable all the time (Ji Kun, Qon for some parts, durmu maybe depends on what you have to do) Petless Demo seems bleh to me.
i agree with what leyl says, its a gain right now to use sac for the most part, so enjoy it while you can, cause a Demonology lock sacrificing its demon seems very counter-intuitive to how the devs would like it to be played. itll get a nerf soon
The trinket is more the problem than sac itself as sac would've still be a terrible choice without the trinket but I'd rather have a sac nerf then an UVLS nerf any day cause if this stays the way it is and as scaling goes with gear + sac, sac will just be completely overpowered in the next tier together with this trinket.
Saying this though, the trinket seems really awesome and will still be really interesting to play around with and it mixes up the playstyle a little.
I'm expecting a flat nerf, or just a nerf to the improved imp dmg at some point.
Last edited by Tramzh; 2013-04-09 at 11:15 PM.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if they simply let us have this for a little while, and then broke it completely for 5.4. If they don't, we'll probably end up using UVLS until the next expansion with the way things are going, and I know they get all upset when their shiny new tier of items aren't all outright upgrades.
Regarding travel time and the Lei Shen trinket for Destro, spell damage (including crit calculation) isn't calculated when the spell reaches the target but rather as soon as the cast ends. The damage that's applied when the spell hits was already determined based on the procs and abilities you had active when the spell was finished casting. Cast time obviously still applies, and either way the trinket sucks for Destro compared to the other options.
Regarding the trinket being nerfed for Demonology... I hope they nerf it. I hate the play style compared to what I've been doing for the last several months. Demonology is my favorite spec by a massive margin, but not with this trinket.
Last edited by Teye; 2013-04-09 at 11:40 PM.
I checked the "the 25% for sacrifice , down from 30%" nerf on the ptr, and its really just a tooltip fix. We have 25% on live already.
Given that sacrifice and service are pretty close on the sim and simcraft calculates with 30% i would say service will be slightly ahead.