Exactly this. Reading this thread is funny how people jump straight to conclusions based on what was said. Do people not read something anymore and think about what they just read and form a conclusion?
Basically Vol'jin is saying that he has a plan and if the Alliance want to help with his plan he is ok with it as they can use all the help they can get at this point. If the Alliance disapproves of his plan then they are free to come up with their own plan, but since he knows the inner workings of Orgrimmar and where Garrosh would probably have traps set he knows the Alliance will fail due to lack of this knowledge. So when they fail he would be more than glad to enter Orgrimmar after them cleaning up whatever is left and do what needs to be done. In the process there just happens to be a lot of dead Alliance bodies and he is sure Sylvannas wouldn't mind having a few more undead to help strengthen their population as they cannot reproduce without the use of Valk'yrs resurrecting bodies.
So basically it's either take his plan and have a chance at sucess or come up with their own plan and more than likely end up dead.
So is it just trolls for now or are Tauren present in Durotar ?
It sounds to me less like he's "out of left field" and more "I know wtf I'm talking about so you better listen."
"Skill, as the world of warcraft goes, is only in question between equals in pvp power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must."
Thucydides : " The Melian dialogue".
There's a possibility that Hamuul might have pieced it together since he survived the druid slaughter by orcs who didn't seem to know who Garrosh was, but a single comment amidst battle can't really be determined as proof. It's like saying "Garrosh will be mad" and they response "Pfsh, Garrosh WHO? *stab!*" It doesn't really prove they aren't Horde orcs so much as they obviously don't care what Garrosh thinks.
We're not the ones in open rebellion, after all.
It became clear that it wasn’t realistic to try to get the audience back to being more hardcore, as it had been in the past. -- Tom Chilton
I think they need each other just as much. Does Garrosh know that Vol'jin and the darkspear are in on this seige? If not, the Darkspear could be located inside Orgrimmar when the Alliance approach the gates. The Darkspear could start the attack from inside causing mass confusion making it a lot easier for the Alliance to get through the gates. Without the Darkspear fighting from the inside causing this confusion it would be extremely hard if not impossible for the Alliance to get through the gates.
Glad to see he's not lovey dovey with alliance. Helping with SOO will be purely an alliance of convenience. Best case scenario for me.
Is everyone in this first page of the thread retarded?
It's juxtaposition. "My way or the high way"
Shit option that benefits only him versus option that benefits him less but everyone more.
New Signature in development. Legion Windwalker is a garbage class that I no longer wish to play.
Blackrock Foundry was probably the best part of WOD, but that's really just a blackhanded compliment.
The Alliance shouldn't really have a problem with Vol'jin. He came to us for aid in stopping the Zandalari, warning us of the threat that was rising as soon as he knew about it. We don't really have a beef with him directly and the Alliance as a whole doesn't want the eradication of the Horde either.
This is just a pretty lame way of getting us working together against Garrosh. Like someone said earlier, it's a pretty weak "fist pump" moment for Alliance Pride to fall in line and follow Horde orders to save the Horde from the problem they created and clean up their mess....by following them.
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Still waiting for the Alliance to have some relevance and their own "high-five" moment like we were promised.
So far 5.4 just looks like Vol'jin bossing us around and us doing the work to serve the Horde in their civil war.
Blizzard, as usual, disappoints Alliance players looking for something worthwhile for their own faction.