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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardstyler01 View Post
    And Varian restarted the war in WotLk.
    He wanted to after the whole wrathgate thing, but I don't think anything actually came of it. The Alliance and Horde worked together (tenuously) for that entire expansion. Did the events of WotLK start a battle in the novels that I didn't read?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crym View Post
    He wanted to after the whole wrathgate thing, but I don't think anything actually came of it. The Alliance and Horde worked together (tenuously) for that entire expansion. Did the events of WotLK start a battle in the novels that I didn't read?
    After the Wrathgate Horde and Alliance were at war for a time, they signed a treaty shortly afterwards, which was broken by Garrosh and his invasion of Ashenvale.
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    The sad fact of the matter is for whatever reason the grass is greener on the horde side. I was alliance from vanilla right through to cataclysm before my guild went horde and I followed. I just could not believe the difference in quality of horde players. Sure they still have the childish idiots/eliteist prigs but they are very few and far between. This especially shows in LFG and LFR. I have 11 90's on my realm, 10 horde and 1 alliance. I keep the alliance toon so I can play with old friends who didn't go horde with the guild. Ive stopped trying to gear the alliance warrior with LFR/LFG because frankly id rather claw my eyes out then deal with the mouth breathing idiots who spend so much time cussing at each other in chat that a 10 min dungeon lasts for over an hour!

    You just don't get that on horde side with our battlegroup. Granted most lfg/lfr are completed in complete silence. But they are completed and without spending all day on them.

    My missus cant use her right hand because of some problems she had and she was close to quitting because every time she made a mistake in dungeons on her alliance hunter she got her head chewed off and some real nasty comments thrown her way. We levelled up two toons together (me tanking her dpsing) and had no problems atall. Shes now working on her 5th horde toon and playing through on her own. Occasionally she messes up by standing in something she shouldn't or not switching targets fast enough. But most groups understand we all feck up now and then and on the rare occasion shes broached the subject of her disability to the group she has received very positive reinforcement.

    I know luck plays a factor in these things but since switching to horde the game has been better and a LOT friendlier.

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    That's garbage. Alliance have gotten absolutely nothing but jokes in Cataclysm. Especially of note was that Thrall was the 'hero' we (as Alliance) followed, but as if that wasn't bad enough, we have Vol'jin leading us to victory in 4.1. He's a Horde racial leader, and we had an extremely better Alliance themed option: Danath Trollbane. The 5.1 quest chain almost entirely simply followed around Garrosh and friends trying to spy on them and undermine them, instead of simply having a seperate story on those sections. Purge of Dalaran was their saving grace, but Horde got that as well so it's not saying much. And now in 5.3, are we doing Alliance-centric stories? No, we're helping Vol'jin with the Horde Rebellion once again, fighting the current Horde warchief. What an absolute joke.

    I am rightfully upset about this, to the extent that I've lost interest in the story and have cancelled my account. Pandaria had a lot of potential and it was looking up to becoming quite epic with Alliance racial and character development, but it's obvious as daylight Blizzard doesn't care. I've waited nearly two full expansions, I am done waiting. If they don't get their act together by the end of this expansion, I will not be coming back. Even if I was Horde mained, I would still feel the same -- it's awful story telling. Still, 5.4 has the potential to turn this around. We'll see.

    PS: Please go Horde. I won't miss you, and I hate to be presumptuous but I doubt anyone in the Alliance will miss you, either, besides personal friends (provided you even have any). I mean this just as respectfully to you as your thread title is to 'us' (an assumption on my part, I don't presume to know how/what others think).

    PPS: I want to emphasize that this reply is only a fraction of the size it could have (should have?) been. I didn't go into detail on Cataclysm, on the various Alliance race development (gnome, draenei, and worgen especially), and the presence of Alliance racial leaders. The only good thing about 5.3 is that they are finally nodding towards the massive amount of potential dwarven political drama to draw from, but they appear to be entirely wasting its potential by ending it early on a simple scenario. Again, we'll see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babo7000 View Post
    Let me start out by saying that, I love the Alliance. As cliche as they may come across, the shining white knight has always stood out to me. Also, the mixture of savagery/hypocrisy of the Orcs and Forsaken has always turned me away from the Horde. In short, I like the lore for the Alliance better.

    But the community? Hahaha, oh my. We could completely kill off every Horde race next expac, yet will still have Ally QQing about not having an enemy to fight. It seems that, unless every patch in every expac features heavy Ally development and has the Alliance gaining something equal to or greater than the Horde, people will cry bias.
    I look at the mixture of maturity and pride thats with most Horde players, and it dwarfs, absolutely dwarfs the percentage of these people present within the Ally. Maybe its the fact that the Horde started out as the losers, that makes their community so strong and committed. I dont know.

    How can you tell a good story like this? The game tells the story of two warring factions. That means, be it for a few patches or even a whole expansion, one side is going to be on the losing end. Its realistic.

    Now back to the white knight and 5.3. Weve always been the good guys, helping those in need no matter what. And were doing that and more in MoP. Were helping the Horde. Yet? We still have QQ. It seems some of us arent content merely helping the Horde, we want the Horde to beg us, give us complete control of their armies, and have them bend over to us post seige. Anything less is either a bias or bad storytelling to them.

    Look at 5.3. First phase of the siege, where a small Alliance force is helping out the growing Horde rebellion.

    What does this mean? Well common sense and intelligence tells us that 5.4 will be a more Alliance heavy patch than 5.3, as that is when the fleet/army will arrive. So 5.3, were not going to have as much development as the Horde, and thats OKAY. We shouldnt have huge development in this patch anyways, the Hordes rebellion never got the screen time it needed, and thats what 5.3 is for. Us Ally should just wait it out for 5.4, when our army comes raze Org. But no. Theres no waiting for children. Unless its now, and unless its better than the Horde, well cry and complain. I cant take this. So.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by babo7000 View Post
    Let me start out by saying that, I love the Alliance. As cliche as they may come across, the shining white knight has always stood out to me. Also, the mixture of savagery/hypocrisy of the Orcs and Forsaken has always turned me away from the Horde. In short, I like the lore for the Alliance better.

    But the community? Hahaha, oh my. We could completely kill off every Horde race next expac, yet will still have Ally QQing about not having an enemy to fight. It seems that, unless every patch in every expac features heavy Ally development and has the Alliance gaining something equal to or greater than the Horde, people will cry bias.
    I look at the mixture of maturity and pride thats with most Horde players, and it dwarfs, absolutely dwarfs the percentage of these people present within the Ally. Maybe its the fact that the Horde started out as the losers, that makes their community so strong and committed. I dont know.

    How can you tell a good story like this? The game tells the story of two warring factions. That means, be it for a few patches or even a whole expansion, one side is going to be on the losing end. Its realistic.

    Now back to the white knight and 5.3. Weve always been the good guys, helping those in need no matter what. And were doing that and more in MoP. Were helping the Horde. Yet? We still have QQ. It seems some of us arent content merely helping the Horde, we want the Horde to beg us, give us complete control of their armies, and have them bend over to us post seige. Anything less is either a bias or bad storytelling to them.

    Look at 5.3. First phase of the siege, where a small Alliance force is helping out the growing Horde rebellion.

    What does this mean? Well common sense and intelligence tells us that 5.4 will be a more Alliance heavy patch than 5.3, as that is when the fleet/army will arrive. So 5.3, were not going to have as much development as the Horde, and thats OKAY. We shouldnt have huge development in this patch anyways, the Hordes rebellion never got the screen time it needed, and thats what 5.3 is for. Us Ally should just wait it out for 5.4, when our army comes raze Org. But no. Theres no waiting for children. Unless its now, and unless its better than the Horde, well cry and complain. I cant take this. So.....


    Blood elf or Tauren for a warrior?
    I'm not sure I'm even getting this. You have a problem with what? Alliance players crying about lore, is that what it is? I don't know. Judging from the forums, I see far more Horde players complaining about various aspects of current lore, their Warchief, the state of their faction, this and that. Which is of course understandable to some extent, as the Horde is obviously going through dramatic times lore-wise. Anyways, I'm not sure where you're getting this impression that Alliance players are especially prone to lore QQ.

    Also, who even cares about what some random people out there that happen to play the same faction cry about? I'm having a somewhat hard time to really identify the problem here.

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    Blood elf or Tauren for a warrior?
    Tauren, definitely. The HP bonus, stomp, and sheer size makes Tauren a WIN for a warrior. Come over to our side. You won't regret it

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    The Irony in this thread. Go to Horde then, im afraid you will be as or if not more disappointed.

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