my brain just cant process this... and I dont know what tied you together all that T14 if 1week on Horridon was enough to break you down.
So now we're pushing for LFR - only difficulty in future patches and expansions, because gamers simply cannot abide the idea that there's a game mode that's currently too difficult for them to complete?
Benevolence is a luxury for the strong - Wrathion
I think it was a necessary change. My guild is by no means good, but we have managed to clear 10/12 N on 2 days a week and that is good for 9th on our server. I take a look at the other guilds below us (raiding 3 times a week), it just drops off drastically. 10th place is 1 kill behind us, but 11th is only 6/12 and then after that it is a chunk at 3/12. I like the progression right now when it comes to the end of the normal content/heroic modes, but I feel as though the starting bosses of ToT shouldn't be so unforgiving on newer guilds trying to get in.
Of course the devs will try to optimize for the population of players, not just me, so their solution isn't necessarily my optimal one. Still, if normal/heroic raid participation continues to decline, eventually they may come around.
At which point I will smile.
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Unavoidable DMG in Raids is something that annoy almos everyone in Raiding involved. Looking back on our superior TBC Raiding there was actually almost no unavoidable dmg in the raid (except for 1st tick that got all your addons and RL screaming GTFO). I was healing whole TBC and I remember very few bosses with unavoidable constant AoE to whole raid (Tidehunter, Lootreaver, Mother Sharaz, 3rd Head in reliquary)
Maegera depends on which heads do you kill. we kill only Blue and red but still the difficulty after 5 is quite a jump to heal through.
edit: this is a reply to page 21
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Theres no bad side to these nerfs. Just people like Eifel regurgitating his stuff 6 times a page are keeping this thread running. I've stopped responding to him, cherry picking quotes and conveniently forgetting anything past the last sentence you wrote isn't conducive to a meaningful discussion.
In our case, we got lucky, we picked up some good tanks and we're now 6/12, so life is a little better. With that said, we're part of the upper 34% of raiding guilds (using WowProgress has the source) and I don't think we're good enough to honestly be in that group. I don't know what others look for, but what I liked about ICC raiding (normal) was that it was normally doable by even mediocre guilds and it made for fun times. Now, raiding feels like a job. I know some people love that, but it seems the lare wow community doesn't.
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Also, what the hell is the point of this thread currently? It was originally about nerfs... and now... who knows
If you have to run around that much as a healer, your raid team is doing it wrong. Adjust your group strategy or adjust your individual play (not just you, but the other people in the raid as well). DPS can help by staying the heck away from the healers, not dragging ice beams or fire pools or acid bombs on top of them. That way the healers only have to move for the ones that are targeted at them specifically. Change your head kill order so you deal more often with the mechanics you handle well, and less often with the mechanics you handle poorly. Analyze your logs and figure out what's killing you and fix it.
Only 25% of the ones that started T14 finish it, and most of them are heroic raiders.
I cant understand how people can be so blind when facts and numbers are hitting them in the head.
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I think your "suck" definition is too high. 75% of guilds dont suck, the problem is that normal content is tuned for heroic level guilds (which are most of the 25% that COULD finish normals).
What i am saying is that Normals should be tuned so that NORMAL raiders complete them in the same tier that is launch, not so that the only ones that complete it are heroic raiders.
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Heroic raiders have heroic raids, normal raiders should be able to complete the normal raids in the same tier they are current. This is not happening.