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I would not say that this fight is overtuned, it is hard and nothing should be a cakewalk but most of the later bosses are even harder except for probably ji-kun dark animus and consorts. Remember though that having perfect tuning is really hard and i still havent seen a tier where it has actually been the case so just accept that. You need to have some sort of skill to play this game, thats what it all comes back to in the end.
As well since you seem to flame anyone contradicting you and tossing out how you know wtf to do I will present this
This is our Holy pallie 508 ilevel :
Per your link before this is yoru holy pallie with 504 Ilevel
Here is our WOL healign done for megaera and as you can see he did 71k hps sustained
This is your WOL to this weeks kill where you did 52k HPS sustained:
Im sorry but 4 ilevels dose not make a 20k hps difference! Thus I must assume its a L2p and strat issue that is not allowing you to perform properly!
O and case in point of classes not using everything in there tool box... No shattering throw from your war at all on the kill, no potion of the mogu, no heroic leap dmg to boss... This isnt hardcore raider stuff this is basic use your dps CD's when you are a dps role!
If it was overtuned we could not 9 man it in our gear FFS we don't even have drumu dead yet!
Can't be you or your raid, it HAS to be blizzard.
This is our first kill : http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/j...?s=5942&e=6492
Pally was 504 ilvl
Notice the fight length, yeah, it was 9 minutes for us. And healers weren't oom and we didnt all wipe.
Last edited by Eihwaz; 2013-04-19 at 06:46 PM.
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What happens though when normals gets harder all the time is that the people that cant use enough time to keep up to date with what they need to will have to go to lfr and there is also the people that are completely new to raiding which will have close to no chance of actually raiding at either heroic level just because everything is getting harder. My conclusion is that as long as heroic raiders like me wants harder content the raiding scene will never grow again, it will slowly and painfully kill it self, probably wont happen in a few more tiers but it is definately happening as i see it.
My only question for you is that you seem to be one of those that still have the time to keep yourself up to date to be able to do normals and the fact that you have already killed megeara proves this now why are you just here to argue, I would understand if someone new to the game came and brought this up with some reasonable arguments, but seeing someone that have been raiding a lot come here just for the sake of arguing seems odd.
Reasonable poster: "You're doing it wrong"
You: "WE BARELY SCAPED BY WITH 5 PEOPLE DEAD ITS OVERTUNED, I KNOW BETTER!!!!"
Reasonable poster: "The spells you were suggesting aren't shit, you need to change your healing habits"
You: "I'VE BEEN PLAYING SINCE VANILLA, I DON'T NEED CLOWNS TELLING ME HOW TO PLAY EVEN THOUGH AN AVERAGE PERSON WITH A LOWER ILEVEL HEALS 40% MORE THAN ME!!!"
I'm done responding to you here, you've lost all objectivity and aren't open to listening, at all.
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21:56:05.567 Dhcp [21:56:02.827] Flaming Head Cinders Dhcp 136500
[21:56:03.827] Flaming Head Cinders Dhcp 97500
[21:56:04.847] Flaming Head Cinders Dhcp 82113 (O: 15387) (more)
21:58:01.596 Erexshun [21:57:59.216] Megaera Rampage Erexshun 44200
[21:57:59.996] Megaera Rampage Erexshun 75448 (A: 1902)
[21:58:01.246] Megaera Rampage Erexshun 70642 (O: 6708) (more)
you to flaming cinders and a warrior to rampage. in your wol it show you using holy prism instand of hammer of light. maybe my understand of pallies is limited but wouldn't hammer of light be more useful on this fight that prism for the rampage damage. also you stated this fight is a dps race but if thats the cause why were people 4 healing it the first week to down it?
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You can assume all you like I don't really care quite frankly. I don't need kids on forums telling me how to play the game when I've been able to play it adequatly and even better than adequalty in some cases for years. It's not an l2p issue, it's not a strat issue, it's a fucking shitty raid tuning issue. But you know what? keep telling good players they suck and see who you have left to raid with. This community is fucking disgusting. IT"S OVERTUNED and I don't care how good you fucking think you are or you actually are, expect more nerfs. Hell that fight nerfs itself with gear because it's a MASSIVE FUCKING GEAR CHECK.
And then, coming from nerfed bosses, they are gonna hit a brickwall named Megaera, wipe, complain, and we'll see Meg being nerfed. Ji-Kun is a complete joke honestly so I don't think we'll see any fix on him.
And then people are gonna get past Nerfed-Meg and Ji-Kun, and hit a brick wall 10 times harder than Meg, named Durumu, and complain, and...
You get the idea
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Why am I still arguing about this? Because I really didn't want to come back to the game to run hard mode raids. I wanted some beer league casual normals I could raid with friends and NOT leave players behind who can't keep up. I'm not coming here for the sake of arguing, i'm coming here because we had to leave people behind these tiers and I'm genuinely afraid that I will get left behind to. I used to think I was a pretty damn good paladin healer, good enough to heal normals in the past for sure and even heroics (in ICC and in Firelands) but this tier and the kids on this forum are apparently suggesting otherwise. Hell I'd be okay with being an average player but apparently I might not even be that. It's demoralizing. In between finals and assignments coming due I have this extra weight on top of me that apparently I'm no longer up to snuff not because I changed or I got worse but because the game just got to fucking hard. Nobody in the guild says it to me but I can read the writing on the wall. Or maybe I'm being paranoid I don't know. It's just to much. I'm not quitting, that's not a part of who I am but I also don't want to hold anybody back or be a burden ya know. I appreciate you asking me this though. At least you didn't call me a bad. The rest of these assholes would rather call me a bad , and critique my play instead of the raid itself. You sir get no caps rampage
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Nerfs would not be necessarily if the fight mechanics were simplier. Take example Molten Core. No nerfs were ever done there afaik because the fight mechanics were simple. Tank and spank and the occasional RUN.
Nowadays all bosses have 20 abilities, so there's bound to be some that are overtuned.
I have looked at your logs and your raid dps is really great! From the looks of it you are in a raid that has a brute force style mentality where they have probably never had problems in the past as they come in and blow the shit up uber fast! I was in a guild like that as well in ICC and it made everythign up to Heroic litch king pretty easy.
This tier is not overtuned but the focus and design was on MECHANICS not brute forcing like many encounters in the past. When the raid was released there was a watercooler from the devs explaining they wanted mechanical checks and for a group like yours this will probably cause more issues than you ever saw in the past! Its not that its overtuned it's just tuned differently than a dps check! I gave links to our raiders and logs because we are very equaly geared when comparing our raid teams. We had allot of issue with Garalon DPS check and elegon dps check and I'm sure that probably was not an issue for your group at all... however our strengh thus far is execution and as such this tier we have been having allot of sucess due to the focus on mechanic > brute force dps!
Proof is in the pudding to be honest... I'm in an extreemly casual guild we raid 1 day a week 4 hours total. I'm not sure how much more casual you can get and if we are progressing just fine then I just can't agree that the tier is over tuned!
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I keep saying it and I'll keep saying it. The guild I raid with and myself have all raided heroics in the past. We've got server first yogg saron players in that guild. We've got experienced raiders. WE've got good raids dps and good execution. We WILL TRIVIALIZE Megara with more gear but that isn't really the point. All the wealth of experience this raid guild has and were all virtually in agreement that so far every fight this tier has felt like downing a heroic boss. This is all on NORMAL DIFFICULTY. Now theirs disagreement about wether that's a good thing or not but nobody questions that this tier is off the fucking wall for normal difficulty. We think we'll get lei shin under the wire but it'll be close depending on how soon 5.3 comes out. When 5.3 comes out we'll probably destroy everything. Gear upgrades will break most fights.
I'm kinda surprised we haven't seen any Normal Mode Durumu is overtuned threads yet. Getting my popcorn ready for that one.