I think I just heard a universe implode.
Nice vid. I wonder where the alliance story picks up, as this seems to take place before the Alliance spies make contact with Vol'jin.
But I wouldn't call those opinions BS. Most are saying he is one because of what happened in Cata. In Cataclysm, he was definetly a Mary Sue. He went from a good Shaman to THE Shaman within a couple of months for no explained reason, and we spend a questline making him perfect. Sounds pretty OP and outta left wing.
garrosh started his reign as a warchief by killing the beloved tauren hero. wether he should take the blame or not isn't the issue, he killed cairne in a duel he suggested it should be to death;
you see vol'jin swearing to kill garrosh in the first 5 levels of gameplay if you roll a troll;
many levels later, but still in the same expansion, you see morgor saying this: "Zaela ... treacherous fool ... have you sold your soul to the Horde? Are you and I so different? Cast your lot with Hellscream, then. See where he takes you."; when a fel orc criticizes you, it means you are that bad;
garrosh was not chosen as a villain because people hadn't liked him as a warchief. he was chosen as the warchief so he could turn into the villain.
Warlorcs of Draenorc made me quit. You can't have my stuff.
Yeah, this is what I wanted to see (the vid, not the inevitable bashing lol)! I'm so glad I roll both sides... and that my horde main is a troll lol. Watched the vid once all the way through to experience it, and then bounced through it a second time to study sections. I might just be reading into it too much, but from quest text in the Alliance version of this quest line and actions and emotes from this vid, Vol'jin might be getting a slight model update again. Quest text states he's wearing bandages over his neck, and an emote he does after talking to Baine in the horde vid has him stabbing a spear in the ground even though he's currently unarmed. Not counting on anything changing though lol.
Ugh... the scene after defending Sen'jin.... in context...with the voice acting....the feels you are inducing Blizzard! *dies*
Garrosh falls into the same category as Arthas. This was even raised in tides of war, between Thrall, Jaina and Kelecgos, how Jaina knew well of one tyrent who rose to do unspeakable things, someone close to her, and so she knows the kind of person Garrosh is. This was Goldens way of more or less saying Garrosh is as bad As Arthas was.
She also made a point in an interview just how weak and malleable Garrosh is at this core, and when someone is so weak on the inside, they are easily lead astray by things like power and influence.
People, Garrosh's fans, have been strug over by Garrosh and his outward bravado, that they could never see how weak a character he was at his core. Speaks volumes when you don't even know the character you claim to love.
K I'm done.
If story was handled more serious, showing us actuall difrences in mentalities of many orcs, and having real clash between thrall vision and garrosh vision, it would be cool. If theyactually managed to put some emotions there, some deepth showing that garrosh really does what he think its best it would be cool. Instead we have mind controlled kor'kron (who after mop will be Giant plothole), basically show orcs as mindless morons who follow the biggest guy. Oh and typicall everyone vs bad guy type of gangbang. Remember promises of real villain who is simply evil ? Nope, old gods. Remember when WE were supposed to be bad guys in MoP ? Nope once again we are godsent. My problem with this story that its not only generic to bone but also carries typical lesson/morale of 80's He-man show (drugs make your problem go away !!). + lets face it garrosh story is exactly same as kael'thas (note kael was a little more likeable before insanityzation), with a little grom twist. What's the point of repeating exactly same stories over and over again ?
It just strikes me that with the troll uprising, the blood elves and planned attack on org, the devs ran out of room to do anything else, which is just poor writing.
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They did fail on the idea that 'WE are the villains' or even that both factions are equally responsible for the war.
Why does this newest wave of escalation start? Garrosh mana bombs Theramore. Even though nobody in the Horde leadership but him and Malkorok was really into the idea. From day 1 this arc was planned to be pinned not on the entire Horde, but on Hellscream.
Then we land on Pandaria. Ok, Jade Forest. We are the bad guys to an extent. We both befriend a race and wage a war by proxxy. But the Jinyu on alliance side were facing being wiped out entirely by the hozen without our help. Was there ever an explanation on why the hozen are being so aggressive to the Jinyu? I'm not sure, and my playthrough on horde side didn't really enlighten me as to WHY they were fighting in the first place either. But we wage our proxxy war and all hell breaks loose with the sha of doubt. Ok, we're to blame for that.
But then we help clean it up, and all the other sha outbreaks. I've heard that supposedly some lore suggests the mantid queen being possessed by the sha of fear had nothing to do with us and was already going on, but I have yet to confirm that. In either case we help stop the sha, the mantid, the mogu invasions into the Vale and the Thunder King, the latter two we had nothing to do with starting at all, and the mantid swarm as well IF it's true their queen was already possessed and it wasn't us that set the sha of fear loose.
Anyway after Jade Forest we're all doing nothing but good. Then comes 5.1, where we...wage a battle on the coast, but don't really do all that much damage to the land. This is where the biggest morality gray thing for the alliance happens all expansion, the purge of dalaran. Hate it or love it, condone or condemn it, it's really the only big 'bad' thing we've done.
5.2? We deal with a returned evil.
5.3, we're off Pandaria. And there's a hole in the vale which is pinned on Hellscream in the Taran Zhu conversation.
Garrosh is set up be the big bad, with even 5.0 having hints of this, and cementing it in 5.1. In 5.3 even horde players are rebelling openly.
So are we the bad guys? No. Is the Alliance portrayed as equally morally gray as the Horde for fighting in this war? No. Is the Horde portrayed as the bad guy? Only the Garrosh loyalists, who are npc bad guys now. Where is the alluded to destruction our war will leave on Pandaria? The goblins dug a hole in the vale. That's it really.
Blizzard had promised, or at least advertised, something different this expansion. But really the only thing different about it is that the big bad is splintering off from a playable faction throughout the storyline as it unfolds rather than being the obvious last boss from day 1.
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And now orcs know how it feels to oddly enough have their own races lore development on the back burner. Never thought I'd see that day.
The devs as a whole don't care about feedback until it either costs them money or the uproar is unable to be drowned out by fingers in their ears and saying "lalalalala our ideas are amazing".