Although the RPG books were declared non canonical, that does not mean that they lack of any representative value.
The reason by that the RPG books ceased to be canonical is simply because Blizzard did not want to have their hands tied creatively speaking, that is, they wanted to have total control over the lore of the Warcraft universe.
But that does not mean that the entire contents of the RPG books is useless, but simply just the parts that conflict with the interests of Blizzard.
In this way, Blizzard will consider the contents of the RPG books, changing what they do not like but keeping what they like themselves.
To put it another way, what is narrated in RPG books will not be canon, but it has more value than any story we can invent, that is, the RPG books should not be ignored, but interpreted.
I myself could write a story about Calia as heroine of the Alliance, but it never would have success.
"That doesn't mean Blizzard can't canonize the hook and develop Calia's story further."
But until they do that, it might as well be fanfiction.
It means they are angry; it doesn't mean deranged, insane or mentally unbalanced.When someone is consumed by rage they are of sound mind?
Humanity. Yes. The Alliance? Its home is Lordaeron.Arathor was the greatest human kingdom in existence. The vast majority of human history is tied to Arathor. It's only briefly that Lordaeron was the center. Stromguard is the Jerusalem analogue for humans.
We don't know. And we can only speculate if and what will be made canonical.
Calia, as a story element, seems to interest Blizzard. They seem to like the RPG story and the potential plot hook. Calias return would also help invigorate the stories of BOTH the Alliance and Forsaken if handled right.
But at the same time, we can't really count on anything.
need to start with orc's and the drainea or whatever, they are illegal aliens taking our jobs!
The reason Lor'themar's story is now Ascended Fanon is because it's pretty damn good. It's polished and well-paced and not prone to a lot of the silly failures of most fanfic.
But let's point to something absurd -- how can anyone say it's a sign of "faction bias" in favor of Lor'themar/Blood Elves/Horde that it's the only leader that Blizzard couldn't be arsed to write their own story for?
I think Calia returning would make some sense, but I kinda like to think of her as probably being happily rid of royalty, even if not happy about how. In Arthas, she didn't seem to like at all the idea of being married off as a political gesture, for instance. If she comes back, have her have gone all common, maybe a hunter or rogue type. Or a prototype for Bard Make the idea of leading an attempt to reclaim Lordaeron something that is in and of itself a source of conflict for her.
And using hyperbole to rouse his troops doesn't make it any more true.
The Alliance of Lordaeron wasn't even led or brought together by Lordaeron, it was led by Lothar. They just named it after Lordaeron because that's where they convened.
"Then I hereby declare the founding of the Alliance of Lordaeron! We shall stand together as one, as our ancestors did long ago, in the Arathi Empire." The others nodded and Terenas continued. "And it is only fitting, then, that our commander should hail from that ancient ruling stock. We the kings of the Alliance do hereby appoint Lord Anduin Lothar, Champion of Stormwind, as our Supreme Commander!"
--Tides of Darkness
It was all about Arathor.
Would be nice if the Forsaken even took care of the place. Lordaeron City itself is a shambles, and Undercity isn't really much better. Have some pride and look after it!
Mind you, Silvermoon needs an overhaul first. That place is kind of depressing as it currently is.
Lordaeron belongs to its people, who are now called The Forsaken.
The Alliance has as much a claim to Lordaeron as they have to Quel'Thalas, that is, ZERO.
And I say this as an Alliance player.
BTW, if Blizzard got drunk and decided to give the Alliance Lordaeron back, what would happen to Undead players? Are they forced to change race or delete their characters?
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I think there are a few people who need reminding Lordaeron is the nation, Capital City is the ruins of what Undercity now is.
With that in mind, its highly plausible without "hurting" the Horde, it can even lead to some truly good story telling. With Stratholme reclaimed that could always turn into an Alliance hub, Tyr's hand could be re-developed or Stromgarde too, maybe even Alterac. Or we could actually build something out of The Hinterlands base already present, or even reclaim Gilneas Many possibilities, but I can see a future for the Alliance to reclaim a Stronghold in Lordaeron, again, without hurting the horde and actually creating some story depth and continuation.
Calia Menethil, the heir to Lordaeron is still missing, so she could make a return.
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And Already The World Looks A Little Less Bright.....
*sigh* Do we really need a new thread similar to this one every single week ?
No, the Alliance will not retake Lordaeron, first because it belongs to the Forsaken, aka the people that lived there for decades, and were later risen to undeath, and then because of obvious gameplay balance issues.
I know that it's the birthplace of the Alliance as we know it, I know that Allies feel like Blizzard hate them, I recognize it would make an epic battle, but just think about it..
Ever since the Horde was given a little "advantage" on both continents during Cataclysm (...a few more bases, and a few territorial victories.. probably to build up your hatred towards Garrosh BTW), I keep hearing Allies whine and cry about how Blizzard favors Horde. But, remember : the Alliance ALREADY stormed Undercity during WOTLK (but they were teleported away by Jaina, blame the blonde bitch), the Alliance will begin its siege on Orgrimmar very soon..
Try spending less time whining aimlessly, asking for impossible and "illogical" victories, and realize how much the Alliance kicked ass until now, and how lucky "you guys" are (yes, my main is Horde) for besieging the Horde's capital. I sure would have loved to lay siege on Stormwind.
Let's hope you get my message without too many flaming
But i agree, Alliance need to stop whining and wait their turn.
And Already The World Looks A Little Less Bright.....
On Calia I'm going with the popular theory she escaped when her brother returned with Frostmourne and changed her last name to Hastings, eventually ending up in Theramore. Not sure of her whereabouts when Theramore was nuked though.
As for the Alliance getting Lordaeron back my answer is yes, eventually. Remember: Sylvanas said to Garrosh when she first revealed the Val'kyr to him without them the Forsaken would lose their hold on Lordaeron. The Wildcards no one seems to be talking about are the Ebon Blade and the Argent Crusade, both of which are nearby. I'm pretty sure they found out about the Val'Kyr after/during The Battle for Andorhal plus Sylvanas is holding Kolitra prisoner in The Undercity. Tirion (or whoever The Restored Ashbringer is passed on to) and Darion could take Sylvanas captive and kill her until all the Val'kyr are used up then kill her for good. The rest of the Forsaken would then be swept away by the Ebon Blade and the Argent Crusade., allowing the Cenarion Ciricle to move in and do their thing.
It doesn't have to true to have an emotive pull. As it is, the Alliance does see Lordaeron as one of their kingdoms. It is the home and birthplace of the faction. and it is a Alliance goal to reclaim it.And using hyperbole to rouse his troops doesn't make it any more true.
Who did the declaration? Where was it declared? Who was the major driving force behind its creation? Lothar led the armies...but he was appointed by who? Lordaeron was very much behind its creation of the Alliance. Lordaeron is the birthplace and spiritual home of the Alliance."Then I hereby declare the founding of the Alliance of Lordaeron! We shall stand together as one, as our ancestors did long ago, in the Arathi Empire." The others nodded and Terenas continued. "And it is only fitting, then, that our commander should hail from that ancient ruling stock. We the kings of the Alliance do hereby appoint Lord Anduin Lothar, Champion of Stormwind, as our Supreme Commander!"
--Tides of Darkness
And I did cut out a bit, but Terenas wasn't making a declaration. He was acknowledging the consensus. They had been arguing over who would lead them and what resources each kingdom would commit.
"And we have all agreed upon our course of action?" Each of the other monarchs nodded, which surprised and further worried Lothar. They had still been arguing when he had given up and returned to his rooms late last night. When had they reached an agreement, and what was it about? But the king‘s next words told him clearly, and Lothar‘s blood ran cold as he heard the announcement clearly: "Then I hereby declare the founding of the Alliance of Lordaeron! We shall stand together as one, as our ancestors did long ago, in the Arathi Empire." The others nodded and Terenas continued. "And it is only fitting, then, that our commander should hail from that ancient ruling stock. We the kings of the Alliance do hereby appoint Lord Anduin Lothar, Champion of Stormwind, as our Supreme Commander!"
"We need to band together," Lothar insisted. "None of you alone can withstand them. But all of us together…might." The potency of the Orc's magic was backed up by Antonidas. All Terenas did was throw his support behind Lothar and what an asset he was, specifically citing Lothar's Arathi heritage: "For he is of the Arathi bloodline, indeed the last of their noble line, and thus has as much right to speak at this council as any of us!"
Suddenly Lothar was more than just a warrior or even a commander in their eyes. Now he was a potential ambassador to the elves. And if that ancient, magic-wielding race chose to ally with them, suddenly the Horde did not seem nearly as unstoppable.
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