I know pre-orders are a problem I don't do them anymore but I make an exception for those two companies. Why? Because they still produce very higher quality products. The moment they produce a turd my moneys not going their way. I can and will voice any complaints to them should I feel aggrieved. (thats valve and blizzard who so far still make great games)
Also when you say can he be sure hes funding something bad with EA. No you can never be sure. But should something arise that causes enough concern or disgust then you can always voice it and/or vote with your wallet.
So please tell me where i've lost any such right?
EA destroyed SWTOR, and gutted the Dragon Age franchise. Dragon Age had the potential to become the greatest franchise in all of gaming history, and EA obliterated it. Dragon Age Origins remains one of the best games I've ever played, DA2 one of the worst. A few months into DAO, I even remember talking with folks about how Dragon Age would likely culminate in an MMO- the world was incredibly expansive and the lore some of the best gaming had ever seen. We'll be lucky now if DA3 isn't a complete flop. Rest in peace, Bioware.
To gamers, EA truly is the worst.
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You do not decide who loses any such right. As a consumer you have the right to complain regardless end of dont use that argument again. You can certainly say its silly to buy a game continually and complain about it but you dont lose the right not ever.
You are simply and annoyingly assuming I would happily agree with Day one DLC or action bars (what game have they released does that?) always online DRM is a fact of life at present. Valves been doing it for years (there is an offline mode to be fair)
After ME3, which was the first time i've seen EA really try to screw over gamers I decided not to buy from them unless I see an improvement. So where exactly do you see a problem in this? Same thing for gearbox They released Aliens CM which was shit they won't get a penny from me. The list goes on. Valve I have yet to have a shit game from them. The moment I get one you can rest assured I will not be buying games from them until such a time they make up for it. Blizzard I bought diablo 3 about 1 month after release. Enjoyed it played like D2. completed it put it down afterwards. But I really enjoy SC2 and still enjoy wow. Until such a time they do something to annoy the fuck out of me I will continue to play/buy their games.
I do agree pre-orders are a bad practice. I think in the not too distant future we may even see a slight gaming crash. Not as severe as the 80s version but hopefully enough to make some companies change their ways.
He says that any mistakes in Bioware's products were made by Bioware, EA simply gave them the funding and told them to make a profit. I know it's a lot easier to imagine an evil boogie-man destroying the hard work of your idols, but in reality creative types are often hit-and-miss especially when they find themselves with a ton of extra resources they're not used to having.
Also I don't get what everyone's big deal is with day 1 DLC. They can sell you a game for £30 with DLC for £15, or they can sell you the full package for £45 or they can just sell the game for £30 and release the DLC later.
To me the day 1 DLC is the best option (apart from giving you stuff for free, because free stuff is cool but let's stay realistic), if you want extra you can choose to pay for it. If not, don't. Personally I wish all of ME3's DLC had been purchasable on day 1.
With Day one DLC a lot of it is already on the disc (assuming you buy the physical copy) Now the argument can be made that this was made after the game was finished. So rather than have your programmers designers etc do nothing why not make more content. If that was genuinely true I would not have a problem with day 1 dlc. But I suspect its planned beforehand and probably made at the same time as normal game content.
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The REAL vote that matters, the vote with America's wallet, says otherwise. Anyone who says EA is the "worst company in America" but still buys their products is just a petty nitwit.
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I'm simply saying they lose no such right, they might be a bit silly buying games continually and complaining each time but they can complain. Certainly so.
looks like you made an edit, I do think its probably something that was included in the game thats probably stripped out to make it as DLC. The from ashes DLC certainly fits that bill and is one of the points I disliked what happened with ME3 the amount of conversations that ran through the entire game looks like far too much work to be simply something made after the game was finished. What with all the rush to get the game made to EAs strict time table.
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I think anyone has the right to complain regardless of how many times they buy a product from any company. I might think they are a bit silly for buying their products after being bitten so many times though.
With EA, I bought the command and conquer games but when 4 came I decided not to buy another CNC game. Turns out that was made easy for me. I then only bought mass effect 1 and 2 on a bundle on steam as a friend told me it was freaking awesome. I saw it was published by EA but bought it on the reference from my friend. Turns out I have 200 hours on both games now for under £10 thats great. Bought Battlefield 3 enjoyed it a lot and bought starwars old republic enjoyed it but not as much as I thought and dropped it after leveling to max. ME3 came out and I bought it didnt preorder. Found out to my horror what the ending was like and about the DLC. Have not bought from them since nor shall I until such a time the quality of their games improve.
I complained about ME3 and rightly so, and have since voted with my wallet.
Sadly way to many do just that, or similar actions like complain that EA ruined one of their favorite franchises to go buy a game from them in another franchise the day after, all because "they like that game" but "still hate EA".
I am glad I didn't buy sim city while it looks like a great game, the server issues and the amount of DLC they tied in seems a bit much.
I know they killed westwood and bullfrog, but thats just general practice when you aquire another business. Take their assets and see if you can move things into your own infrastructure. That side of it doesnt really bother me. What bothers me if the games they produce are good or bad. After playing Me1 and 2 and seeing it was made by EA under bioware I figured i'd buy biowares games. STWOR was good but I felt it was trying to be like wow too much so dropped it as I preferred wow over it. ME3 when I got on to play was brilliant the DLC i was a bit annoyed at, then the ending made me rage like never before. I had BF3 already at this point (hugely enjoyed it) but now hearing bf4 is due out and seeing sim city, just dont see the point in giving over anymore money.
Same with call of duty I stoped buying after MW2 bought that game and seeing how short the campaign was and how the game was a carbon copy of mw2 with just a few new features thrown in I didn't bother after that.
I complain direct to the companies rather than on forums to really rant. Other than voting with my wallet its the only way they might notice things. PR stuns like this poll only humiliate them and they just try and spin doctor their way out of it.