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  1. #241
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    I enjoyed this expac but I sure hope they aren't happy with pvp because it's the most frustrating bullshit I've ever had the displeasure of experiencing. Well, not as disappointing as GW2 pvp was compared to GW1 but both are pretty goddamn bad. Here's to hoping next expac has 10x less CC
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    Subs went down, Blizz isn't happy.

    Expect next expansion to go back to a more Cataclysm feel for the endgame content. Which means the Grand Daily Experiment is over.
    Permanently unsubscribed as of 03/10/2014.

    Been a fun run guys, but the game's officially moved into the "Milk the Playerbase" phase. And I for one don't intend to stick around as the cost of expansions go up, content in them goes down, and raids become further and further apart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dokhidamo View Post
    Subs went down, Blizz isn't happy.

    Expect next expansion to go back to a more Cataclysm feel for the endgame content. Which means the Grand Daily Experiment is over.
    Every single one of your predictions has been wrong so far.

    I think I'll pass on this one too.

  4. #244
    Quote Originally Posted by dokhidamo View Post
    Subs went down, Blizz isn't happy.

    Expect next expansion to go back to a more Cataclysm feel for the endgame content. Which means the Grand Daily Experiment is over.
    Much more likely would be they look at the low participation in higher end raiding, and decide to deemphasize it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Much more likely would be they look at the low participation in higher end raiding, and decide to deemphasize it.
    I don't think so. I know you stance on raiding very well and I highly doubt they're going to de-emphasize it.

    I could be wrong, you could be right, but this is just my opinion on it so don't take it the wrong way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destil View Post
    I don't think so. I know you stance on raiding very well and I highly doubt they're going to de-emphasize it.

    I could be wrong, you could be right, but this is just my opinion on it so don't take it the wrong way.
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  7. #247
    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    I agree with this. Also, I tend to get more PvP focused at the end of an expansion, but if they don't fix up casual PvP (gear disparity mainly) that's not going to be worthwhile.

    I've really wondered how LFR is going to be handled in the final raid. If there's no strong incentive to use it to gear up, then LFR-only players will run it once and unsub until the next expansion. In Cataclysm the idea was you'd do LFR, then move on to normals, but it's not clear there's enough of that audience left.
    I've noticed a lot less actual raiders in MoP. Not sure if it's because LFR became a good replacement or because people were clamoring for something above their league(more difficult normal mode raids)

    I tend to love end of xpacs, surprisingly enough. It becomes catch up mode for me as a completionist and an altoholic. I tend to do a lot of achievement getting during this time.

    And to answer original question. I hope they are. IMO, they really furthered themselves in the gameplay department, adding things outside of the norm to do. Example, pet battles and farm. It may not be the thing for everyone, but it adds the type of variety I love in MMOs.
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    I honeslty don't care about subs, i care on how this game is going back to be time consuming mind not hard but time consuming; blizzard has put up some grand efforts to dumb down some really cool aspect of the game and in the other hand still continue to make grindish silly things; i mean who the fuck care if i wanna grind a stupid rep on my alts by chain farming dungeons when i have already grinded it on my main with dailies? who care if i do 85-90 with a bunch of heirloom slapped on? or by skipping a bunch of mobs flying directly to the quest objective?
    On the other hands they are still removing cool thing that make rolling a different class enjoyable, starting from classes buffs, then talents, stats, specs etc.
    How about we let the parenting of kids to... their parents? No, seriously, World of Warcraft is a videogame. Gaming it's supposed to be a fun activity (if you have that fun through challenges, social interactions, etc is completely up to you). Not some kind of "School of Hard Knocks about the Real World".

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    This has been their best expansion imo. It started off rough but now that there are so many raids you can easily grind for VP it's a lot better. The rep changes make it a hell of a lot easier now but you don't really need rep gear anyways.
    My only major complaint is that sometimes I don't want to spend all week grinding out VP on some toons. I wish VP gains would change so they you could grind out missed VP later on in the patch. Like 5.2 comes out and during any time in 5.2 you can miss VP and grind that amount you missed out the following weeks. I can understand them not wanting people to be able to grind out a ton of VP the second a new patch hits but during a patch we should be able to gain our weekly VP even if we miss it imo.

  10. #250
    Quote Originally Posted by Mulgore Sweet Potato View Post
    Looking at the PTR patch notes: "Shado-Pan and The August Celestials daily quests no longer have a faction prerequisite to be Revered with the Golden Lotus.". This is Blizzard admitting defeat in their daily quest crusade! Would they make a change like this if they were happy with MoP? The answer is a resounding no, they're not happy with it.
    Oh thank God I hated that pointless gating soooooo much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulgore Sweet Potato View Post
    Looking at the PTR patch notes: "Shado-Pan and The August Celestials daily quests no longer have a faction prerequisite to be Revered with the Golden Lotus.". This is Blizzard admitting defeat in their daily quest crusade! Would they make a change like this if they were happy with MoP? The answer is a resounding no, they're not happy with it.
    Or, here's what happened:

    They've now released 3 major patches (including 5.3) and want people to be able to catch up on Rep much easier, so they lift the gating.

    It's like anything else they do. They "nerf" previous content so everyone can do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destil View Post
    Every single one of your predictions has been wrong so far.

    I think I'll pass on this one too.
    While his prediction may be wrong, I feel like he's pretty dead on with the subs thing. I can't expect they'll be happy, until subscribers increase.

    Until then, I'll think they'll make changes geared towards facilitating that.\

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    Right. Ok then. Clearly you people want a pity party instead of solutions. Have at it. I'm out.
    I for one would like the source I asked you for so many pages back.
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    I think that when Blizzard have MoP in their hindsight, the only thing they'll be able to say in the negative will be "We probably should have eased off on the dailies".

    That's a lot less to reflect on than the mistakes made in Cataclysm
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    I really don't get your gripe with reputations and alts and all that.

    I hit 90 on my warlock on the 6th of April.

    I'm already exalted with Kirin Tor Offensive (2 days ago) and am sitting on 485 item level. Barely over ONE WEEK. I didn't do a single heroic dungeon on him. Only did one scenario, I think. All of it came by crafting two Blood Spirit items, Kirin Tor/Shado Pan Assault vendors and LFR/PvP gear.

    One week doing 20 minutes of dailies isn't that big of a grind.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimord View Post
    I really don't get your gripe with reputations and alts and all that.

    I hit 90 on my warlock on the 6th of April.

    I'm already exalted with Kirin Tor Offensive (2 days ago) and am sitting on 485 item level. Barely over ONE WEEK. I didn't do a single heroic dungeon on him. Only did one scenario, I think. All of it came by crafting two Blood Spirit items, Kirin Tor/Shado Pan Assault vendors and LFR/PvP gear.

    One week doing 20 minutes of dailies isn't that big of a grind.
    This it's also made easier since 5.2 fly around killing warscouts, use rep tokens, profit.

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    I fucking hope not.

    PvP Balance just doesn't exist any more. PvP power is the worst thing they've ever added to the game and frankly, PvP needs an overhaul, its just band aid on band aid on band aid.

    Burst is fucking moronic as is CC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by willtron View Post
    I fucking hope not.

    PvP Balance just doesn't exist any more. PvP power is the worst thing they've ever added to the game and frankly, PvP needs an overhaul, its just band aid on band aid on band aid..
    If there's anything I would say that they aren't happy with, with absolute certainty, it's PvP.

    It's just a god damn mess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klingers View Post
    I think that when Blizzard have MoP in their hindsight, the only thing they'll be able to say in the negative will be "We probably should have eased off on the dailies".

    That's a lot less to reflect on than the mistakes made in Cataclysm
    I think there's still a bit of risk in diverting too many players to LFR and further corroding what's left of server communities. Deep-roots guilds (like mine) will hold together, but many may not. As you said, not on the level of failure of Cataclysm, but potentially a missed opportunities given Mists' attraction otherwise.

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    Blizz is too busy snorting lines of coke of hookers' asses to care about whether 10 mil. people can forcefully delude themselves that logging in for 3 months at the time and doing the exact same tasks for no purpose is actually fun.

    Apparently they don't need to care, World of Crackcraft is keeping its junkies well hooked across millions of alts and pointless daily quests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThisWillNotStand View Post
    Blizz is too busy snorting lines of coke of hookers' asses to care about whether 10 mil. people can forcefully delude themselves that logging in for 3 months at the time and doing the exact same tasks for no purpose is actually fun.

    Apparently they don't need to care, World of Crackcraft is keeping its junkies well hooked across millions of alts and pointless daily quests.
    So considering I only played around..12 hours maybe a week, more or less, that makes me a junky?

    Someone who only gets on an hour for a day, that makes them a junky?

    Face it: your opinion isn't law, nor is it right. Neither is mine, frankly.

    Don't be so rude.

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