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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Evisiling View Post
    If there is one thing I am disappointed with and thats the Scenarios. I wasnt expecting them to be instanced easier dungeons but more like Rifts in Rift, Fates in FF XIV and what they have in Guild Wars 2 where a boss is attacking and everyone joins in and receives a reward. If there is one thing World of Warcraft is missing it is this, they got it a bit right with the tap to faction world bosses but thats about it.
    Yes, I've been beating this drum for a while. A 40-man (say) scenario that's something like the zone events in Rift would be awesome.
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    Barely played MoP, but I can say without a doubt that it's not good. It's at the same level as cataclysm. PvP is still utter crap and unbalanced. They always seem to find a way to screw it up more and more and more. Especially with the new patch making resil a base state... what a horrid idea. PvE isn't interesting... I've been watching the latest fights on twitch and those encounters look awfully boring. If I could rate this expansion, I'd give it a 6/10. The island itself looks nice and the environment is engaging, but that's only one aspect... they nailed it there... but on every other aspect, it was a complete mess up.

    The other reason why I don't play it anymore is because blizzard is dumb. How are they dumb? Because while they could have been updating character models... while they could have been fixing PvP, while they could have been creating new inventive mechanics for bosses, while they could have been doing something more worth while... they were too busy creating void banks... transmog and pet battles. What a ridiculous company to prioritize pitiful features when the game itself has broken aspects. It was just a clear sign to drop my sub and move on... Either blizzard is holding stuff back from WoW so that they can implement it in Titan, or blizzard just lost their special touch and don't know how to properly make games anymore.

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  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    China launched 1 week after the rest of the world
    So they defended dailys the first few months... They would be dumb to listen to everything without testing the waters first.
    Releasing dungeons would make the patch take much longer to release, or cut down on the number of bosses in SoO. Scenarios are made by a completely differnt team, so they can add multiple ones in the time it would take to make 1 dungeon. They are trying to see if they can make heroic scenarios give the dungeon feeling while still keeping a large raid.

    Also, several hundred people is not near enough to change the game. SOrry. They had a few hundred people telling them dailys sucked in the beta. When it hit live it turned out to be true so they changed it. Several hundred people want all xpacs to be deleted and go back to vanilla forever, but you can see how that is a dumb idea.
    China launched in Q4, the West Q3.

    It is dumb to tell your customers they are wrong, they should have said they were monitoring the situation or nothing at all, just as they should have done in the past. Blizzard had an income of $1.6 billion last year there is no excuse for one type of content having to be axed in order to release another type. They are trying to see if their customers will accept the cheaper to produce content over the content they have released in the past.

    If you have a few hundred people telling that something is a problem you can guarantee that there will be more people who agree with them who just cannot be bothered to offer any kind of feedback. They had a few hundred people telling them dailies sucked in beta and look at what happened when they released the dailies on the live servers, they had even more players telling them they sucked and some of those players will no longer be playing. The issue of people wanting Vanilla servers is very different from players offering feedback on daily quests although I suspect you already know that.

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    The problem I have with scenarios is, unless blizzard invents a system of allowing us to go back to them when we get to a higher level, then there's no revisiting them.

    Thats one of the reasons I prefer dungeons and raids to scenarios, you can do dungeons and raids in groups, but so many levels later come back and solo them for fun, achievements or loot for transmog.
    Unless they make it possible to come back to a scenario, say when we're level 95-100, then they will just disappear just like the lv85 LFR version of dragonsoul, and the loot with it (yes, there were some unique pices of LFR Dragon soul loot I would have liked to get, now can't).

  5. #65
    They should make more TOC esque heroics were certain bosses were chosen and dropped certain loot, while it may gear block you for a bit it would still keep it somewhat fresh seeing wondering what bosses and gear will drop. Instead of the same exact boss and loot every time.

  6. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    China launched in Q4, the West Q3.
    Yes, about one week apart (very end of Q3, very beginning of Q4).
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  7. #67
    I'm pretty sure they're happy with some aspects of it, but with most of it I suspect them to expect much more .
    They've said they're the most harsh critics of their own products.

    things I suspect they are happy about (or they've said so)

    -challenge modes
    -pet battles
    -how rare hunting changed


    Things I suspect they aren't happy about (or at least think they can improve upon a lot)
    -dailies (and they've improved since 5.0)
    -scenarios (specifically what they want to do with the tech, its place in the game. This is an issue because it has a very wide application I think)
    -dungeons. mostly related to its place with scenarios and raid finder
    -world bosses
    -raids (dont get me wrong, raiding in MoP has been AWESOME for me. I'm saying they've been working on how raiding works since the inception of wow)
    -PvP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raunchy View Post
    They should make more TOC esque heroics were certain bosses were chosen and dropped certain loot, while it may gear block you for a bit it would still keep it somewhat fresh seeing wondering what bosses and gear will drop. Instead of the same exact boss and loot every time.
    That always seemed interesting for a while, but I ended up hating Paletress every time she appeared, since it was the other guy who had the stuff I wanted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLSTMASTER View Post
    I'm pretty sure they're happy with some aspects of it, but with most of it I suspect them to expect much more .
    They've said they're the most harsh critics of their own products.

    things I suspect they are happy about (or they've said so)

    -challenge modes
    -pet battles
    -how rare hunting changed


    Things I suspect they aren't happy about (or at least think they can improve upon a lot)
    -dailies (and they've improved since 5.0)
    -scenarios (specifically what they want to do with the tech, its place in the game. This is an issue because it has a very wide application I think)
    -dungeons. mostly related to its place with scenarios and raid finder
    -world bosses
    -raids (dont get me wrong, raiding in MoP has been AWESOME for me. I'm saying they've been working on how raiding works since the inception of wow)
    -PvP
    Pet battles???? You love pet battles more than new skins or any other possible feature that could have benefited the game? You honestly can't count pet battles as a pro for MoP... it's not even part of RPG's... it's just a stupid pokemon spin off to waste peoples time... unless it's relevant to PvP, PvE or the Lore of the game.... it shouldn't be in the game unless it's a holiday or special event... pokemon has no place in WoW... but I guess that's just the community, they love pokemon over actual things that matter.

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  10. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by crakerjack View Post
    they love pokemon over actual things that matter.
    Not really. They tweeted not long ago that only around 50% of the players have even tried them. That is why they added charms to them to lure people into trying it.
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  11. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by crakerjack View Post
    Pet battles???? You love pet battles more than new skins or any other possible feature that could have benefited the game? You honestly can't count pet battles as a pro for MoP... it's not even part of RPG's... it's just a stupid pokemon spin off to waste peoples time... unless it's relevant to PvP, PvE or the Lore of the game.... it shouldn't be in the game unless it's a holiday or special event... pokemon has no place in WoW... but I guess that's just the community, they love pokemon over actual things that matter.
    Do I really need to point out what's wrong with what you just said? (Hint: it begin's with an O)
    Quote Originally Posted by Kekekz View Post
    Everyone hated BC, everyone hated Wrath, everyone hated Cata and everyone will hate MoP. MoP will become the new worst expansion and Al'akir or BoT will become the new "last good raid" or something stupid like that.
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    You're now blocked. Told you I was done with you. You want to pick fights over minute details as if this is the fucking presidential debate on a gaming forum.
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  12. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by crakerjack View Post
    Pet battles???? You love pet battles more than new skins or any other possible feature that could have benefited the game? You honestly can't count pet battles as a pro for MoP... it's not even part of RPG's... it's just a stupid pokemon spin off to waste peoples time... unless it's relevant to PvP, PvE or the Lore of the game.... it shouldn't be in the game unless it's a holiday or special event... pokemon has no place in WoW... but I guess that's just the community, they love pokemon over actual things that matter.
    I quite like pet battles they are a nice little distraction from the main game and I doubt they cost much in development time compared to a raid or dungeon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadite View Post
    Not really. They tweeted not long ago that only around 50% of the players have even tried them. That is why they added charms to them to lure people into trying it.
    Yeah, and this pretty much worked for me. After a while of doing them I suddenly realized that I'd lost track of time and had been playing at them over an hour. Yes, they're trivial. Yes, I think they're fun. Yes, they're a pretty easy way to get charms if I'm not in the mood to do dailies and need some charms.

    So win all around as far as I'm concerned.

    Spare me from those who think that every damn thing in the game needs to be difficult or tied to progression in some way.

    And doubly spare me from those who think that anything in World of Warcraft actually matters. Especially this.
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  14. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by crakerjack View Post
    Pet battles???? You love pet battles more than new skins or any other possible feature that could have benefited the game? You honestly can't count pet battles as a pro for MoP... it's not even part of RPG's... it's just a stupid pokemon spin off to waste peoples time... unless it's relevant to PvP, PvE or the Lore of the game.... it shouldn't be in the game unless it's a holiday or special event... pokemon has no place in WoW... but I guess that's just the community, they love pokemon over actual things that matter.
    ?

    It does EXACTLY what it was meant to do.

    thats why I suspect blizzard is pretty happy about it.

    Its not really a question of "will EVERYONE do it?" I suspect enough people do it.

    challenge modes is in the same boat. Its not for everyone, but it does what its supposed to do. A challenging 5man based on time limits like the old strat

    EDIT: I don't do much pet battles. My list isnt about the Pros of MoP (If it were, then raids would be up there), its about my guesses as to what blizzard is happy about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarithus View Post
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    Well, I think Blizzard is a little bit less than content with Mists.

    I don't think they got the player influx they've been looking for, nor has it been able to stem the long term subscriber loss they've been seeing since Cataclysm launch.

    Otherwise, I think the core player base of the game has received the game well.
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  16. #76
    I think Blizz is pretty happy with mop but more so with the direction of the game now. Cataclysm really went off the rails near the end and the community crucified Blizz for a lot of their missteps throughout that expansion. MoP really tried to rectify a lot of their mistakes and build a better game going foreward.

    There have still been mistakes throughout MoP, but Blizz has attempted to fix these issues and done a decent job imo. Hopefully the giant steps taken in MoP will become even better in future expansions. I am personally more interested in the next expansion and where they go with WoW moreso than the remainder of MoP.
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    You should have no expectations for the next expansion IMO...

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    Quote Originally Posted by crakerjack View Post
    Pet battles???? You love pet battles more than new skins or any other possible feature that could have benefited the game? You honestly can't count pet battles as a pro for MoP... it's not even part of RPG's... it's just a stupid pokemon spin off to waste peoples time... unless it's relevant to PvP, PvE or the Lore of the game.... it shouldn't be in the game unless it's a holiday or special event... pokemon has no place in WoW... but I guess that's just the community, they love pokemon over actual things that matter.
    HOLD THE PRESSES!
    We just received word from our correspondent Crakerjack that stuff in MMORPG's is there to waste your time!
    This news will surely change the way of gaming we know :')

    Get real.. Everything in this game is there to waste your time.
    And as long as people are enjoying those things, it's a good way to "waste" your time.

  18. #78
    All signs point to Blizzard are happy with the way they handled MoP so far.

  19. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by Sarithus View Post
    Hello.

    I think I've came to the conclusion that I'm not currently enjoying MoP. I like the continent of Pandaria and I think the raids are miles better than Catacylsm, but something is greatly putting me off. I know this has been said many times before, but I think it's the amount of factions introduced into Mists and the fact that these endless dailies reward Valour Points. I also think that there have been a lot of new features introduced, but all of them, in my mind at least, seem to be messy. I don't know exactly how to describe it. It's odd that I feel that there is actually too much stuff to do. I know it sounds stupid, but I actually can't put my finger on all of these things to generally describe the 'messy' aspect of MoP. I think this is mostly due to the fact that I took a break around the time Terrace was released and I came back just after 5.2 and I'm really bad at catching up.

    Is Blizzard happy with all these dailies? Have they mentioned things that they won't be doing in the next expansion after learning it was poorly conceived in Mists? Also, if someone could shed some light on why I feel that MoP is too scattered and messy, that'd be great, because I can't gather my thoughts this early in the morning.

    Thank you.
    Oh for the love of god...ENOUGH with the dailies. We have more content than ever before at endgame (not including dailies) such as pet battles, scenarios, multiple wings of LFR, multiple raids with a large number of bosses, and world bosses. Yes there are more dailies but you DO NOT have to do them. Dailies have been in game since TBC and they are NOT going away. Get the fuck over it already. Also to point out there are exactly ZERO dailies in 5.3 and absolutely ZERO mention of them for 5.4 and beyond. The QQers won. Be happy and shut up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crakerjack View Post
    Barely played MoP, but I can say without a doubt that it's not good..
    This part stopped me reading any further. You can't possibly say that it is "without a doubt" not a good expansion if you have barely played any of it.

    And pet battles, how can you claim they are not a part of an RPG when you mention Pokémon earlier on? Have you played Pokémon? It's an RPG based on pet battles.
    Claiming something in WoW is a waste of time is hilarious. It's a game. The entire thing is meant to waste time.

    OT: I think with all expansions, Blizzard are happy with some parts, not so happy with others. They are not really a company just sit and not listen to anything thinking everything is fine and everyone is happy. Things they are not happy about, they'll change and expand upon. Thing they are happy with will return and be expanded upon.
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