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  1. #281
    even if they were unhappy with it they would never disclose that information with the general public
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  2. #282
    Quote Originally Posted by xanzul View Post
    What middle ground? Where it was raid or die? Yeah that was great. Oh wait it wasn't.

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    Pretty sure Blizzard considers it a success that an 8 year old mmo has managed to hold onto 9 million subscribers. TBC wasn't the end all be all epitome of mmo gaming you people like to claim and lets not forget a majority of what has made Wow for "casuals" began during TBC such as dailies and badge gear.

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    Here is something that as of yet can't seem to penetrate your thick skull after all these years: what players do and don't enjoy about a particular game or expansion is subjective meaning your word isn't gospel despite you desperately scrambling to make it appear so.
    LOL this guys posts are always good for a laugh. Interestingly, he never tries to "penetrate the thick skulls" of the Pro Blizzard lobby.

  3. #283
    Quote Originally Posted by xanzul View Post
    What middle ground? Where it was raid or die? Yeah that was great. Oh wait it wasn't.

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    I think this is the first time I have seen someone call WotLK "raid or die".

    Is it odd that I see the "raid or die" phrase to be more of something that would be said by players who take a game very seriously and not casual at all? It just like when someone says "it's just a game" and yet they have to do everything ASAP and not getting loot drops is the worst thing in the world.

  4. #284
    Quote Originally Posted by nekobaka View Post
    I think this is the first time I have seen someone call WotLK "raid or die".

    Is it odd that I see the "raid or die" phrase to be more of something that would be said by players who take a game very seriously and not casual at all? It just like when someone says "it's just a game" and yet they have to do everything ASAP and not getting loot drops is the worst thing in the world.
    What was their to do outside of raiding in Wotlk? As far as I can remember we only had pvp, raids, and dailies. Now we have all of that plus scenarios, pets battles, rated battlegrounds, monks, challenge modes, and Lfr.

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    Pvp has always been a mess tbh.
    You're right except for 2 things.

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    2. I'm not a man, because man is inherently flawed. I am in fact a being so far beyond your comprehension that archaic constraints like flesh, blood, time and consequently, gender, have no meaning to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xanzul View Post

    Here is something that as of yet can't seem to penetrate your thick skull after all these years: what players do and don't enjoy about a particular game or expansion is subjective meaning your word isn't gospel despite you desperately scrambling to make it appear so.
    Not responding to you until you start give me the citation for your earlier comments in the beginning of the thread, that was asked for.
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  6. #286
    Quote Originally Posted by hitmannoob View Post
    What was their to do outside of raiding in Wotlk? As far as I can remember we only had pvp, raids, and dailies. Now we have all of that plus scenarios, pets battles, rated battlegrounds, monks, challenge modes, and Lfr.
    That then makes Classic and BC "raid or die" which means the first six years of the game was "raid or die". Moving into Cata, why was the complaints as if the game being "raid or die" was something new?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Attsey View Post
    LOL this guys posts are always good for a laugh. Interestingly, he never tries to "penetrate the thick skulls" of the Pro Blizzard lobby.
    I only see you ever bash someone who defends something they believe in, just because you dislike Blizzard.

    That's kind of sad to be honest if that's your only purpose on the forum.

  8. #288
    Quote Originally Posted by Gmollster11 View Post
    The game is too predictable. Everything about the game was done 2 expacs ago. Just different looking now.

    The #1 way to make the game fun is to include more randomness. Dailys are a pure and simple time filler.
    So Pet Battles, Brawler's Guild and Challenge Mode Dungeons had different looks in Wrath? Anyone still complaining about dailies this patch, obviously doesn't know how to earn VP outside of despite the other methods out there.

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    Not gonna broaden out to far on my views just keeping it to the class i play which is a mage this expansion has been extremely poor and frustrating having to spend thousands on gems/reforging and completely regearing because they cant use a PTR to balance a spec got old very quickly.

  10. #290
    Quote Originally Posted by PrairieChicken View Post
    The problem is not there is too much to do, but everything takes too much time for little reward.

    If

    Not running out of things to do = Grind 10 times instead of usual 3

    it's obviously bad

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    It's not. Wrath had -

    Reputation rewards (for gold, not points), badges(lower one had no caps), and most importantly catchup heroics that offered you gear about 10man normal level of previous tier. I might add really easy raids too.

    Mop don't have rep rewards, valor is locked behind daily, justice points are useless, and LFR is not a catchup (because it's once a week and drop chance is hideously low).
    JP I agree are pretty much useless but I think you can use it to buy materials from a vendor? I can't remember that one though. I think its right! The VP rewards are tied to reputation which I thought was a pretty odd move but I think it was to try and gate player progress. So there are rep rewards they just require VP and reputation to aquire but you still grind them. The "catch up" heroics were around 4. One in TOTC and 3 in ICC. They came really late to the game (with their respective raids) Mop is at around the ulduar raid cycle in comparison.

    The raids were easy until you did heroic version or hardmode etc. LFR is a great little tool. I still dont get why you disagree with my post since I was merely stating that both are just as grindy but in different ways. Mop you had to grind dailies (and to an extent still do) Wrath and cata you just did the dungeon grind (you would end up doing more dungeons than under mops system since it was the only way to get rep it was very easy though)

    As it stands if you removed the daily grind/reputation system or at least changed it so you could do it via dailies or get the same amount of rep from dungeons or some other means then it would not have been nearly so bad. The rest of mop has been a blast though. Just finished the 5.1 quest line for domination and nearing the end of my 5.1 wrathion questline. Looking forward to the 5.2 stuff

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