Why does Saurfang get a free pass?

[Rend Blackhand]

Varok Saurfang is a member of the Blackrock Clan and a veteran of the First, Second and Third wars as well as the war against the draenei before and many conflicts after the Third War.

We all know how crap is ruthlessly thrown at Garrosh because of his antics but is Saurfang really any better?

Let's review:

> Saurfang openly admits to murdering Draenei children.
> Freely chose to drink demon blood along with his clan.
> Led some orcs in the sacking of Shattrath.
> Did the same in the sack of Stormwind City.
> Participated in the Second War against the Alliance.

How is it that many lore buffs revere Varok as a hero despite all these acts?
Has Garrosh matched or come close to these atrocities?

I find it difficult to understand how Saurfang is some kind of awesome hero but Garrosh is an evil villain despite not having murdered children personally.

[Baracuda]

Because he has done good stuff too, and who would dare bring him to justice? Not me.

[zito]

And yet despite these acts Garrosh is the one turning bat shit sha crazy and Saurfang admits and repents everything he has done.

[Rend Blackhand]

Because he has done good stuff too, and who would dare bring him to justice? Not me.

He fought the Qiraji and the Scourge for the Horde. Doesn't bring back all of those draenei kids though, does it?

[Deleted]

The biggest reason? Saurfang shows remorse for his deeds, he is still haunted by his misdeeds. Garrosh on the other hand revels in all of it.

[Miralynn]

And yet despite these acts Garrosh is the one turning bat shit sha crazy and Saurfang admits and repents everything he has done.

This. Saurfang takes responsibility for his actions, acknowledges they were wrong, and repents of them. He does not want to see any more of his people follow his path. He doesn't get a free pass, he gets respect for stepping up to set his wrongs right instead of wallowing in them and compounding them.

[Deleted]

All of the evil things he did was due to demonic corruption, the only real sin he committed of his own volition was drinking the blood. But if your peers, chieftains and de facto leader Gul'dan all did it and forcing others to do so, then it's quite clear as to why he drank it. Saurfang did terrible things, but the best thing about him is he admits it, he knows he did wrong acknowledges the errors he makes and tries to make amends even though he could just say he was under demonic corruption which is a pretty fucking solid excuse.

He's also a complete badass a strong believer in honour and principle but is brutal when needed to be, a peerless warrior and a humble orc he kicked Qiraji and Scourge arse. Garrosh has done fuck all in comparison to Saurfang who has served The Horde in all major conflicts, Hellscreams need to feed his own ego will destroy The Horde and is taking it down the path that veterans like Saurfang vowed never to see again. Are you honestly surprised as to why he's so popular other than his cleaving skills? Saurfang is one of the very few completely awesome characters left in WoW.

[icausewipes]

His cleave...jk

kinda


Its all about perception and he is has a deep fanboi following.

[leaks]

Because who's gonna something about it?

[Trassk]

clearly you don't get what repentance is gypsybob.

And if you think dying is the only form of someone being 'punished' for crimes from the past, the fact that Saurfang lost his only son is more pain then him dying himself could ever be placed on him (Even when he already Repented for the past!).

And don't give me some rubbish about how he still needs to pay for whats happened in the past, my own mother lost her first son at 12 to cancer, I hear the kind of pain she went though, the loneliness and grief and want to die herself from it, and nothing in life can compare to a parent losing there own child.

Saurfang has been though the worst anyone could suffer, if anything he deserves a break now.

[Haven]

Because there isn't a Thrall to compare. Thrall was a green jesus superman, and instead of him we were given a not-so-omnipotent guy who has flaws and did questionable things for the greater good of the Horde. Boohoo, players didn't want him. But Saurfang is Thrall's sidekick, so if he says "sorry" for slaughtering children for lolz back in the day, it's gonna be enough. However, if Garrosh says "sorry" for destroying Horde's enemies and trying to make Horde powerful, he's still an unforgivable monster and should be tried for warcrimes. We just weren't shown an emo scene of Saurfang doing all that shit.

[The One Percent]

Not to mention, he is the brother of Broxigar, the single most heroic orc in lore. Ass kicking runs in the family.

[Trassk]

Haven, you haven't got a clue about character development.

[Dreknar20]

and who would dare bring him to justice? Not me.

lol, probably that
Just because hes old dsnt mean he still cant cleave 100 people at once

[Lunareste]

Being in many wars doesn't make Saurfang dishonorable. Fighting for the sake or interests of your people, or those of the Horde does not make a warmonger. Yes, Saurfang has done some absolutely horrible things in the past, but the difference between Saurfang and Garrosh is that never fought for personal glory; Saurfang always fought for the future of the Orcs and the Horde. He is also genuinely remorseful of the things he did while under the influence of Mannoroth's blood, and he will not allow other members of the Horde make the same mistakes that were made in the past.

"I am Saurfang. Brother of Broxigar. You know me to be the Supreme Commander of the Might of Kalimdor. An orc - a true orc warrior - wishes for one thing: To die in the glory of battle against a hated enemy. Some of you have fought in battles. Peace has been with us for many years. Many years we sat idle but many years we battled. In those years - where strife the land and Legion and Scourge sacked our homes, killed our families - these insects dwelled beneath us. Beneath our homes - waiting. Waiting to crush the life from our little ones. To slay all in their path. This they do for their god. And for our gods? We defend. We stand. We show that as one. United. We destroy. Their god will fall. To die today, on this field of battle, is to die an orcish death. To die today is to die for our little ones. Our old ones. Our… loved ones. Would any of you deny yourselves such a death? Such an honor?"

[RoKPaNda]

He admits his crimes and is repentant, plus he's done a lot of good for the horde. Where Garrosh is just a jerk and a stupid one at that because he's playing with things very similar to what made the orcs "evil" in the first place. Though if Garrosh were to live as long as Saurfang he might end up being sorry for his crimes as well. Thing is, he won't live that long. :P

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Let's keep the Thrall wanking to a minimum. Saurfang shows remorse for his deeds. He doesn't use the blood as an excuse even if he went through with it willingly and or was likely ok with it back then. It's not uncommon in people who regret doing bad things in their past.

[Metallikiddd]

thrall should lead the horde again. or if he rather stay retired then have vol'jin be leader.

[Trassk]

He admits his crimes and is repentant, plus he's done a lot of good for the horde. Where Garrosh is just a jerk and a stupid one at that because he's playing with things very similar to what made the orcs "evil" in the first place. Though if Garrosh were to live as long as Saurfang he might end up being sorry for his crimes as well. Thing is, he won't live that long. :P

As I already said, Saurfang lost his only son, despite repenting for his past acts already. He's already lost something that means more to him then his own life.

[Theatre]

I heard they wanted to bring him to trial, but the jury...
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...was divided.