Scientists make 'laboratory-grown' kidney

[Cybran]

I just thought that is where all the "missing" people went each year.

You guys are joking, but in the 90s, during the war in Kosovo, Serbians were killed for their kidneys.

[Kujako]

Because the original form of this type of science required turning human fetuses in to paste...no really.

So what? The alternative is to just destroy them as medical waste. The aborted fetus is never going to have your eyes, you will never dress it up in a "onesie" or plan its play dates, it is in effect just tissue at that point.

You can argue if abortions should be performed or under what conditions they should happen, but once done there was no reason to outlaw research.

[ranku]

What if they're really running a Human Farm and breeding humans for spare parts and they're just telling us they're growing the organs as they are to avoid legal issues.

well someone has seen "the island"

[reckoner04]

So what? The alternative is to just destroy them as medical waste. The aborted fetus is never going to have your eyes, you will never dress it up in a "onesie" or plan its play dates, it is in effect just tissue at that point.

But what about its soul?





jk lol! I couldn't resist.

[Kujako]

But what about its soul?





jk lol! I couldn't resist.

Kidding aside, if it had a soul wouldn't it be better to use it to save other lives rather then toss it into an incinerator?

[Svifnymr]

So what? The alternative is to just destroy them as medical waste. The aborted fetus is never going to have your eyes, you will never dress it up in a "onesie" or plan its play dates, it is in effect just tissue at that point.

You can argue if abortions should be performed or under what conditions they should happen, but once done there was no reason to outlaw research.

While I'm not disagreeing with you, the actual laws didn't prohibit research so much as restrict them to what materials they had, or somesuch. IIRC, even at the time they had already surpassed the need and the debate was mostly political anyway. I could be wrong though.

On a different note, an elderly friend of mine that has knee/back problems has seen some of the articles about rebuilding cartilage via stem cells, but none of her doctors will even discuss it, acting like it's some voodoo or something without explanation. Even in medical fields there is much debate that isn't really "scientifically founded".

[Masark]

Because the original form of this type of science required turning human fetuses in to paste...no really.

No, not really. The source of the cells is unused fertilized eggs from IVF treatments. They never develop into anything that would be termed a fetus.

[Mihalik]

No, not really. The source of the cells is unused fertilized eggs from IVF treatments. They never develop into anything that would be termed a fetus.

But...But...But...that clump of tissue growth can turn into a baby! You are turning babies into pills. Soylent green is BABIES!

/sarcasm

[ebah]

The only problem with this (however wonderful it truly is) is that it's going to be extremely limited for at least 20 years for the "average" citizen, 50 years or more for the poor. Yes it's a huge step in human technology but it's going to create big gaps in society when bioengineering goes beyond "fixing" and into "enhancing" people, who knows... maybe bioengineering will lead to curing cancer in the future and only the "west" will afford it leaving poor countries to still scrap by with what they have, again not saying the thing is bad.

Elysium (2013)

Set in the year 2154, where the very wealthy live on a man-made space station while the rest of the population resides on a ruined Earth, a man takes on a mission that could bring equality to the polarized worlds.

[v2prwsmb45yhuq3wj23vpjk]

And so the age of biological immortality begins. Just have to figure out how to somehow transfer consciousness from brain to brain and I'll be golden.

Well, not quite. This is using old kidneys to make 'new' ones. If there isn't a kidney to be donated from a corpse or person then there still won't be a kidney.

[Cthulhu 2020]

While I'm not disagreeing with you, the actual laws didn't prohibit research so much as restrict them to what materials they had, or somesuch. IIRC, even at the time they had already surpassed the need and the debate was mostly political anyway. I could be wrong though.

On a different note, an elderly friend of mine that has knee/back problems has seen some of the articles about rebuilding cartilage via stem cells, but none of her doctors will even discuss it, acting like it's some voodoo or something without explanation. Even in medical fields there is much debate that isn't really "scientifically founded".

Doctors are tight lipped about anything illegal, not because it's unfounded voodoo. When a small misunderstanding can lead to lawsuits and revoked licenses... yeah doctors tend to be pretty jaded because people are lawsuit happy.

[v2prwsmb45yhuq3wj23vpjk]

Well, not quite. This is using old kidneys to make 'new' ones. If there isn't a kidney to be donated from a corpse or person then there still won't be a kidney.

What we really need is a way to 3D print cartilaginous tissue.

This was supposed to be an edit...

Or maybe I'm just crazy and talking to myself.

[Deleted]

While I'm not disagreeing with you, the actual laws didn't prohibit research so much as restrict them to what materials they had, or somesuch. IIRC, even at the time they had already surpassed the need and the debate was mostly political anyway. I could be wrong though.

On a different note, an elderly friend of mine that has knee/back problems has seen some of the articles about rebuilding cartilage via stem cells, but none of her doctors will even discuss it, acting like it's some voodoo or something without explanation. Even in medical fields there is much debate that isn't really "scientifically founded".

Move to a country without such stupid ethics then. As said before, in Belgium they use left-overs from IVF basically (since they fertilize more then 1 egg to be sure). These embryos will never be alive anyway. Then you get the whole discussion of "what is life?!", which is just again massive bullshit. Sure, embryos in normal conditions grow to humans that think, however in the phase of an embryo there really isn't anything alive or has a consciousness.

Am I glad Belgium is actually seeing the benefits of stem cells.

[Svifnymr]

Doctors are tight lipped about anything illegal, not because it's unfounded voodoo. When a small misunderstanding can lead to lawsuits and revoked licenses... yeah doctors tend to be pretty jaded because people are lawsuit happy.

It's nothing illegal, they're doing the procedure a few places in the USA, including the Miami hospital system. Not sure how wide-spread and tested it is, but the point is that her doctors don't want to find that information for her.

[Evolixe]

We can make kidneys now, but a hover board is still no where in sight! Come scientist don't shatter my dreams.

Lol, do want!

[Symphonic]

Lol, do want!

I'll settle with a hover golf cart.

[DarkTZeratul]

Well, not quite. This is using old kidneys to make 'new' ones. If there isn't a kidney to be donated from a corpse or person then there still won't be a kidney.

The "old" kidneys, though, are just the person's non-functional kidneys.