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    Quote Originally Posted by taurvanhiel View Post
    Just to add some clarity - the US legal definition doesn't include the requirement that the incident have "the hope of attaining political or religious aims":
    US legal definitions also considers a potato gun a weapon of mass destruction. Seriously. (At least, if you shoot someone with it.)

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    That's the definition of terrorism insofar as annual reports on terrorism compiled the State Dept. is concerned. Since they are specifically compiled as:
    (A) detailed assessments with respect to each foreign country
    – I don't believe that definition is a valid one when considering acts of terrorism on U.S. soil.

    I would suggest the definition I supplied above from Title 18, regarding Crimes and Criminal Procedure, is more appropriate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ringpriest View Post
    US legal definitions also considers a potato gun a weapon of mass destruction. Seriously. (At least, if you shoot someone with it.)
    Dude. Potato guns are freaking brutal. If North Korean said they had armed most of their soldiers with one, I'd petition the government to surrender right away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Unless Aurora and and Shady were politically motivated they don't count.
    Incorrect.

    (5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that—
    (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
    (B) appear to be intended—
    (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
    (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
    (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
    (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.

    That is Sandy, Aurora shootings and Boston bombing.

    (1) the term “international terrorism” means activities that—
    (A) involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or of any State;
    (B) appear to be intended—
    (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
    (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
    (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
    (C) occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the United States, or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum;

    These are international acts of terrorism such as in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Now what was that about a lack of a Government stance? By the way same source as the person who posted about a lack of definition.

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/22/2656f
    When did anyone speak about the lack of government stance? These definitions I stated above DO NOT say anything about it being politically motivated or not. Now, I don't know why your government has two conflicting definitions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taurvanhiel View Post
    That's the definition of terrorism insofar as annual reports on terrorism compiled the State Dept. is concerned. Since they are specifically compiled as: – I don't believe that definition is a valid one when considering acts of terrorism on U.S. soil.

    I would suggest the definition I supplied above from Title 18, regarding Crimes and Criminal Procedure, is more appropriate.
    Code of Federal Regulations definition says there is no universal accepted definition but...
    There is no single, universally accepted, definition of terrorism. Terrorism is
    defined in the Code of Federal Regulations as “...the unlawful use of force and vio-
    lence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian
    population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.”
    (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85)

    The FBI further describes terrorism as either domestic or international, depending
    on the origin, base, and objectives of the terrorist organization. For the purpose of
    this report, the FBI will use the following definitions:
    https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...X4Zwx6VuZ3LrZw

    ---------- Post added 2013-04-21 at 04:16 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by N-7 View Post
    snip
    We have 6-8 definition and most of them are close to what the FBI's definition is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Code of Federal Regulations definition says there is no universal accepted definition but...
    As I understand it, the CFR appears to allow government agencies to enable enforcement policy in this case in regards to the Title 18 (Criminal and Penal Code) definition that I provided. I'll also point out that the definition contains terminology so vague that it makes the "in furtherance of" applicable to just about anything (unless there's a official government definition for the phrase bolded below):

    ...the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian
    population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.
    For example, under that definition – one could argue that an individual castrating (unlawful use of force/violence) another person (a segment of the civilian population) is an act of coercing them (by removing their ability to reproduce) in furtherance of the social objective of zero global population growth.
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    For those that don't know, the 19 year old kid has a twitter feed here:
    https://twitter.com/J_tsar

    Interesting tweets:

    Jahar ‏@J_tsar 15 Apr
    There are people that know the truth but stay silent & there are people that speak the truth but we don't hear them cuz they're the minority

    Jahar ‏@J_tsar 15 Apr
    @MelloChamp and they what "god hates dead people?" Or victims of tragedies? Lol those people are cooked

    I couldn't find anything else of interest in his feed.

    Two people he tweeted recently have gone private with their feed, @therealabdul_ and @MelloChamp

    You can still read them at topsy tho

    http://topsy.com/twitter/mellochamp
    http://topsy.com/twitter/therealabdul_

    There really isn't anything there tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    We have 6-8 definition and most of them are close to what the FBI's definition is.
    In that case I get to choose whatever I like right? Then Sandy and Aurora shootings are included.

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    I'm sorry but I can't help but laugh at this one guys twitter account. (he's a friend of jahar)

    https://twitter.com/TroyCrossley

    At the top it says:

    I'm 20 and a Rapper trying to make my dream come into a realty.

    trying to make my dream come into a realty.
    into a realty.
    realty.

    REALTY?!

    He's a rapper but he really wants to sell real estate??
    Last edited by Grummgug; 2013-04-22 at 04:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grummgug View Post
    He's a rapper but he really wants to sell real estate??
    How else you gonna be on MTV Cribs?
    Potato.

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    AP just reported that the suspect has been charged in hospital with 'conspiring to use weapons of mass destruction'. Also AP, Obama stated he will not be treated as an enemy combatant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grummgug View Post
    I'm sorry but I can't help but laugh at this one guys twitter account. (he's a friend of jahar)

    https://twitter.com/TroyCrossley

    At the top it says:

    I'm 20 and a Rapper trying to make my dream come into a realty.

    trying to make my dream come into a realty.
    into a realty.
    realty.

    REALTY?!

    He's a rapper but he really wants to sell real estate??
    Reminds me of a youtube video I saw once of some young black kid that claimed he is going to be the worlds best raper.

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    A weapon of mass destruction?

    Seriously?

    I know there's no 'Official' definition of WMD's, but the US Military definition is:

    Chemical, biological, radiological, or nuclear weapons capable of a high order of destruction or causing mass casualties and exclude the means of transporting or propelling the weapon where such means is a separable and divisible part from the weapon. Also called WMD.
    Just seems to be an odd choice of sentence. Further more I hear he possibly faces the death penalty. I don't agree with the Death Penalty in the slightest for anyone, but hell, it's almost bound to happen, the bloodlust following this event guarantees it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Vizardlorde View Post
    Guns don't kill people deranged dogs and cooking ovens kill people.
    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    We went to Iraq in search of WMD's but found none. I guess they dont have pressure cookers over there : (

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    Quote Originally Posted by Istaril View Post
    Just seems to be an odd choice of sentence. Further more I hear he possibly faces the death penalty. I don't agree with the Death Penalty in the slightest for anyone, but hell, it's almost bound to happen, the bloodlust following this event guarantees it.
    It's the traditional punishment for treason, if it was in fact treason. :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Istaril View Post
    A weapon of mass destruction?

    Seriously?
    I'm guessing here, but "conspiring to use a WMD" implies they didn't use one. Perhaps the investigation has turned up the fact that he tried to obtain chemical or nuclear material.
    It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere.

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    Isnt that quack Glenn Jones supposed to be releasing "proof" that this is all organised today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    It's the traditional punishment for treason, if it was in fact treason. :P
    And it's banned in pretty much every country in the Western World, the US has the pleasure of sharing the list of "Countries that allow the death penalty" with 20 other nations, including North Korea, Iran, China, Afghanistan, Sudan and other wholesome countries.

    Quote Originally Posted by RICH1471 View Post
    Isnt that quack Glenn Jones supposed to be releasing "proof" that this is all organised today?
    Maybe he'll burst out crying on television again. I seriously think he's mentally deranged to act the way he does.
    Quote Originally Posted by Vizardlorde View Post
    Guns don't kill people deranged dogs and cooking ovens kill people.
    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    We went to Iraq in search of WMD's but found none. I guess they dont have pressure cookers over there : (

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    Quote Originally Posted by Istaril View Post
    And it's banned in pretty much every country in the Western World, the US has the pleasure of sharing the list of "Countries that allow the death penalty" with 20 other nations, including North Korea, Iran, China, Afghanistan, Sudan and other wholesome countries.



    Maybe he'll burst out crying on television again. I seriously think he's mentally deranged to act the way he does.
    I just noticed how apt your sig is now, what with the Boston bombs and all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Istaril View Post
    And it's banned in pretty much every country in the Western World, the US has the pleasure of sharing the list of "Countries that allow the death penalty" with 20 other nations, including North Korea, Iran, China, Afghanistan, Sudan and other wholesome countries.
    Fun fact; laws vary between countries. I happen to agree with the death penalty in some circumstances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Istaril View Post
    A weapon of mass destruction?

    Seriously?

    I know there's no 'Official' definition of WMD's, but the US Military definition is:



    Just seems to be an odd choice of sentence. Further more I hear he possibly faces the death penalty. I don't agree with the Death Penalty in the slightest for anyone, but hell, it's almost bound to happen, the bloodlust following this event guarantees it.
    We went to Iraq in search of WMD's but found none.
    I guess they dont have pressure cookers over there : (

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