Its like saying I should be able to tank the boss with Pain Sup. No... that's not something you should be able to survive. It just isn't, by design. You can disagree with the design of course... but while the design remains the fact remains that solo soaking it is not a "correct" way to do it.
Well for one... you're Disc. So presumably you can heal those 4 people, Overloads really don't hurt that bad and can also be outranged. Even if you can't you can also Pain Sup + PW:S survive yourself while killing them (trololol). But best case scenario you just do the fight properly and survive that way. And yeah 3 other people in a 25 man raid shouldn't be THAT hard to come by.So if i'm lucky enough to have 4 people stack on me it may or may not kill us since were probably hovering around half health already from people doing the electric rings incorrectly at the start of the transition (which will pretty much always be the case).
My point is that the fight is designed to actually require some coordination and movement. Not a lot mind you, certainly not as much as normal or god forbid heroic. But still... it requires some. Which is more than most LFR bosses. I'm not saying that it should be designed this way, or that this is good design for a LFR boss (although I like it personally). I'm just saying that this is the way it is by design right now and therefore you can't solo survive a Static Shock. You died because you're suppose to die.
Don't be silly, Lei Shen doesn't compare in any way to pre-nerf Garalon. There's no giant purple circle for trolls to jump in over and over again to wipe the raid. It might take a couple of attempts, but I haven't found it to be anywhere near as bad as pre-nerf Garalon. I actually felt proud for killing pre-nerf Garalon.This and Garalon pre-nerf, for once LFR feels like a real raid.
1 shot it in my LFR cuz they let me take 5 minutes to set up the raid and tell them what to do.
That's fine... if it weren't the fact you need those people to help manage mechanics. If they don't keep their distance from diffusion chains? Lots of adds. Don't stack for static shock? Dead. Don't spread out right for transitions and manage all mechanics? Yep. That takes awhile to recover from. Over time, it will get better. It's still a little too much of a ramp up in difficulty compared to almost every other LFR boss so far. Garalon was difficult, but there was only one mechanic the entire raid needed to pay attention to that had averse effects- don't step in the circle. And even today people keep violating that. So it has to be assumed that people will often violate Lei Shen's mechanics.
Blizzard has said that LFR is very popular, so we can probably assume that the casual and hardcore raiders are not the usual participants in here. It's not too hard to presume that fights should be tuned with that in mind. I personally think Static Shock is fine, but the HP on the adds could stand a slight decrease. Or perhaps during intermissions pillar mechanics will be isolated only to their quadrant.
But you're right on the 20 ilvl thing a while after that, it easily adds 25% dps and helps ... but at that point the people who where eligible to enter from the start only need 1-2 more drops from the whole place and their pace slows down and you can just hope that those guys that stepped up increased their effectiveness.
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I downed him today after 8 tries. I had to switch to healing so that we had 6 healers as it was not happening otherwise.
It took 2 hours. It was literally the least fun I've had in WoW in a month. I'm never killing that boss in LFR again. Totally horrible. It's not fun to wipe over and over because other people you don't know and who refuse to listen or communicate with you constantly wipe the whole group. That's bad mechanics. The fight needs to be nerfed hard. So does Durumu and maybe Dark Animus. Fights where you wipe because other people are too fucking bad to get it.
I entered with a group than have wiped once. I grabbed the boss, started charging/discharging the static shock pillar so we did the first intermission with only that one half charged. Grabbed a shit load of adds on the first intermission and tanked them. Did the same for the second phase, and kepts solotanking till the boss was dead (60 stacks by the end, 250k vengeance on a LFR boss o_O). Ended with 10 people alive, most of them dead from thunderstruck (most on p3, on p1 they got out fine...)
So... I suppose it's a too hard boss for LFR, but at least you can solve it by entering as tank.
I did it with 3 stacks of determination on my other character and we made steady progress with each wipe.... but this group is terrible. Every players join with no knowledge of the fight and those that have learned a bit by wiping leave with each wipe so the only thing giving us progress is determination stacks.
i killed lei shen with 7 stacks this week. it was glorious.
the problems weren't the mechanics however, we could take the extra adds and all, but the tanks. they kept dragging the boss in the shut down area in p3. this plus low dps was enough to wipe the raid before the last phase 7 times.
imho the boss is fine, most wipes are caused by the sheer inability of some people to read the dungeon journal and understand basic principles. people don't need to get him handed to them on a silver plate anyways.
Got it 2nd go with a bunch of randoms. It will be one shot every week after a few.
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The only issue I have with the fight is that it seems to cause issues for people with less powerful machines
Some pulls people seemed to be frozen from pull to wipe a few seconds later.
I run comfortably 40ish fps most of the time but even I got freeze screens on that fight, usually on the pull
I love all the badass heroic raiders in here laughing and calling everyone else "baddies" who wipe all the time in LFR but then turn around and talk about how they /follow and expect these "baddies" to carry them to free valor because they're too lazy to involve themselves in fights they're too good for. Keep it classy, folks!
So there are 12 bosses in a tier ... 2-3 require some basic level of coordination. It's not a bad thing. Lei Shen is last boss in the run, does not even drop tier gear. If you can't carry/work with your raid group, just move on. It would be bad if all bosses in LFR were hard, but there is no reason to have every boss retard proofed for your comfort. In a few weeks it will be one shotted by everyone, so it's temporary situation anyway.
My part in this story has been decided. And I will play it well.