The whole rebellion is a massive factor to the Alliance power struggle.
The whole rebellion is a massive factor to the Alliance power struggle.
The rebellion is a Horde matter. Ousting Garrosh is an Azeroth matter. The Alliance may aid the rebellion, but you can't consider their involvement a "rebellion" because they were never under Garrosh.
As a rule of thumb, whenever you are about to click "post" and realize you've used the term "fanboy" in any of it's spellings it's better just to click "cancel". It's not that your post is terrible in content, but it just loses any credibility at that point.
Also, her name is Moira, daughter of that diamond statue in Old Ironforge.
Now a fraction of the Horde is almighty powerful enough to decimate the Alliance's full strength unless they ally with another fraction of the Horde? It doesn't make sense that the Alliance is written off that "oh they'd die if they tried alone." Allying with the rebellion is the smart thing to do to reduce casualties, but the Alliance has the resources to handle this on their own in a more drawn out, costly siege.
For that matter, laying siege to Orgrimmar would actually be as such:
Alliance brings in the Skyfire and their fleet.
Alliance stations siege engines, tanks, etc. outside Orgrimmar's front gates.
Alliance stations night elf and draenei forces with glaive throwers in Azshara.
Alliance keeps their forces out of range of Horde attacks from Orgrimmar.
Orgrimmar is in a rough, near desolate land. They don't have infinite food supplies in the city. Laying siege to the city would be a matter of attrition if done properly, but that would be a boring climax to the expansion.
For real world correlations, how often has a government funded and supported the rebellion against their enemy only for that rebellion to become an enemy later on? We won't all end with rainbows and kittens when it's over, though we'll likely be focusing on unifying our strength against the Legion, of course.
As for the "internal matter" debate...
Garrosh has been bullying the Horde for the last six months.
Garrosh, and the rebels that we are supporting, have been attacking and killing our people for the last 2-3 years.
The Alliance has more reason to hate Garrosh than the Horde rebels.
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"There is good and evil in this world; we must find the black and white in the gray."
And the Kor'Kron watching the Trolls... Wait, it's not the first race to be supervised by them. Forsaken were the first. And it wasn't even the decision of evil and tyrannical Garrosh, but the wisest and noblest Thrall the Green Jesus. And why? Because they were invaded by Burning Legion forces summoned by a traitor. During this invasion many Forsaken died and even their leader barely survived. And when Sylvanas finally arrived in Orgrimmar she pledged her loyalty to the Horde. Yes, that's of course a viable reason to supervise a Horde race with Kor'Kron. For years. But to do that to a race who disobeys the warchief on every step? A race whose leader threatened the warchief with death? Abomination! Treason! Tyranny!
Oh, and of course when these Kor'Kron are killed it's absolutely surprising and uncalled for that the Kor'Kron used harsher measures against the Darkspear. Totally. It couldn't have been predicted at all.
The Blood Elves are also great. An archaeologist team gets ambushed in Kun-Lai. Vile use of Blood Elven forces! But how many Orcs have died to establish Domination Point and to defend it from the constant Alliance's intrusions? And then when Garrosh sends a Mogu box to Silvermoon for analysis, it's Rommath orders the player to open the box. He admits most of it's defenses have been already disabled by the Blood Elves themselves. Even though he suspects something is inside and tells the player to be prepared. And there have been around eight Blood Elves in the room present. But noooooooo. The fact that a sha was set free for few minutes was a proper reason for Lor'Themar to go running to Varian, begging for mercy.
And Goblins.... Garrosh *gasp* doesn't pay them on time.
The Horde race with the most reasons to rebel are the Forsaken, with Garrosh planning to use them as living battering rams. His strategy in Gilneas would doom the race. And this is the race that has been completely ignored so far. While Blood Elves had few Reliquary members ambushed... Some of which have been saved. Lor'Themar probably lost more Blood Elves to get vengeance on Jaina than Garrosh did in whole 5.1 chain.
This whole rebellion is so forced it's not even funny. Blizzard is desperate to make the Horde hate Garrosh, but so far achieves it by making the Horde races a bunch of traitorous, whining douchebags.
Originally Posted by Friendlyimmolation
I seriously doubt that we're immediately going from a few quests helping Vol'jin to the raid against Garrosh. If you think about it, it's just a little spy team that scouted out the rebellion and made initial contact with Vol'jin. There is probably lots to follow. Maybe we should wait until the entire story is revealed so we can speak in facts before we take a shit on it.
<-- Alliance fanboi too.
Horde rebellion IS an internal matter. I don't see "alliance" word in there. What are you rebelling against? Garrosh?
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The acts themselves may not neccecarily be evil, but people say so because he is the one doing so.
You can see exmaples of this everywhere, Azeroth and Earth.
Two people can do the same exact thing, yet people will claim one is evil and the other isnt. It all depends who side who is on.
We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"
The rebel faction of the Horde is, obviously, an internal matter, since they're formed by purely Horde forces.
The actual Siege of Orgrimmar, however, is definitely not, seeing as both the rebels and the Alliance have reasons for wanting Garrosh gone. Neither could accomplish that goal (or at least not as efficiently) without the other.
The factions were about equal. But consider that Orgimmar is a fortress city. Sieging it will not be easy. Not saying it can't be done, but even with siege weapons Hellscream has the advantage there. Considering what happened LAST TIME the Alliance tried invading Org I think helping the Darkspear clear a landing for us and thinning kor'kron numbers is a smart thing to be doing. Garrosh's plans have proven to be very effective, even if overly reliant on super weapons.
And I am sure you also realize that it would be in the alliances best interest to sit back and let the horde kill each other before jumping into the mix and declaring complete victory for themselves.
Furthermore this expansions focus was supposed to be about the war between the horde/alliance and not about the inner turmoils of the horde.
The plague used by the Forsaken? Good luck fighting that with your superior numbers. You will just make it easy for them.
The Tauren and Orcs? Good luck fighting them even if you do outnumber them 3 to 1. They are much more skilled warriors.
If the Horde actually works together, they can stomp the Alliance without much competition.
It has been that way since Warcraft 1. Sacking of Stormwind? They worked together. Warcraft 2 almost saw total Horde victory on the doorsteps of Lordaeron, but then they started fighting themselves when Gul'dan pulled back a portion of the army to search for the Tomb of Sargeras, so the Alliance had a shot to crawl back to their feet and eventually win. Warcraft 3 saw the Horde at their weakest though, like the Alliance before it they had to crawl back on their feet, but as time progressed they've gotten to the strength of the past again.