After Thrall visits Garrosh etc, he'll go fetch Saurfang from Northrend. Saurfang will take him out, beat the corruption out of him and be named new leader of the Orcs, he will not accept Warchief of the Horde though, he'll pass that honor over to Lor'Themar Theron and then he'll pass leader of the Orcs honor over to Thrall's son, when he comes of age.
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As said, they've teased loads of potential killers for Garrosh.
I like the Vol'jin theory though. The whole "pierce your black heart" thing has an additional punch now we know Garrosh is after the black heart of Y'Shaarj.
Imagine the confrontation, Garrosh is backed to the dead corner, and then Vol'Jin comes and sais "When I want to kill somebody am doing it myself" as he draw his weapon with specific spark in his eyes.
But the question would be- what would be with Alliance? in siege of undercity they killed Putress- it's harder task to find them a proper role.
He is not "much of a leader?" - let's see :
- he was one of the founders of current Horde, among Thrall and Cairne
- he was always supporting Horde's case, he was tactitian and Thrall's right hand, Darkspears were among the orcs unit in Outland and Northrend. It was part of the phylosophy that Horde is a family, there is no bigger glory for neither of te races, they're all equal, and there is no favourisation.
- He was the one who took a stand against Garrosh , have you seen how 5.3. looks like? He sounded very charismatic, and ever since i saw it I can see him leading an army.
while I agree about Garrosh, I personally think that Blizzard really will give Vol'Jin the killing blow, to show that he keeps his promises unlike some people are saying that he is "all about talks". and 5.3. is already enough to show otherwise, and thank god.Blizzard did a really shitty job with Garrosh, his character development was all over the place. During BC/Wrath he acted like an angst-ridden teenager. Then during Cataclysm he made no damn sense, in some quests like the quest line in Stonetallon mountains he was awesome a better leader than Thrall. Then he did a 180 during the Twilight Highlands entry quests which showed him as some blood crazed moron who roid rages all over the battlefield. I still think Vol'jin shouldn't get the kill and in all honesty his flat out insubordination gives Garrosh the right to want him dead.
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I'm going to try my hand a little predicting of the future and see how it pans out. I envision the finale of the "Siege of Orgrimmar" raid going something like this:
After dispatching Garrosh's primary lieutenants including a few Sha or Old God-related horrors, we encounter Garrosh attempting to wrest control of Y'shaarj's power using the prison for the Old God's heart he took from Pandaria. Garrosh states something along the lines of Pride being the right of all true Orcs, and comes under the full or partial possession by the Sha of Pride (and perhaps taking on a bit of Y'shaarj's core personality along with it). During the fight we protect Vol'jin, Thrall, Jaina, and Chen Stormstout as they prepare a channeling ritual/device/process very similar (and an ironic callback) to the soul gem that restored Grom Hellscream back to himself after his second infusion of Mannoroth's blood. After bringing Sha/Garrosh down to a suitable percentage of health, the possession leaves him and manifests almost fully as the returned Y'shaarj (maybe this would be the heroic bit of the encounter). After a pitched battle, the spirit of Shaohao appears and says some choice words to all assembled (but especially Garrosh) about the follies of Pride, Despair, Fear, Doubt, Anger, Hatred, and Violence (all of which Garrosh has possessed at one time or another, and all of which have shaped him into what he had become) and then pulls Y'shaarj back into the heart of Azeroth with him to be contained until we are ready to face him fully.
In the cutscene to follow, Garrosh lies prone before Vol'jin and asks him to fulfill the vow he made in Cataclysm, to kill him and end his misery. Vol'jin, despite being sorely tempted, refrains as he understands now that Garrosh's mind was not entirely his own. Desperate and driven by guilt Garrosh approaches all assembled and begs to die... tempting Varian or Anduin with his atrocities against the Alliance, Jaina with the destruction of her city and people, Chen with the horrors he had perpetrated on Pandaria, and finally Thrall with his near-destruction of the Horde. Of those assembled, only Thrall seems to move to actually kill the chastened Garrosh (and perhaps here we see a brief flash of Sha-related corruption touch Thrall as he does), but Jaina puts a restraining hand on his shoulder and tells him to let go of his rage, just as she has had to let go of hers.
In the end, the assembled leaders of the Horde (maybe even Sylvanas gets a say) pronounce judgment on Garrosh and exile him back to Nagrand... there to make amends and find redemption for his actions. Thrall announces that it is a mistake for the Horde to invest all power in a central leader that could be led astray or corrupted (adding perhaps that even he was not free from corruption or fallibility), and from henceforth the Horde will be led by a council of leaders... each with an equal say, all of them sovereign over their people and no race within the Horde to hold sway over another.
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If I can throw my two cent in though, just something I've been thinking of. with Garrosh meddling with the heart of Y'shaarj, this would call to attention perhaps the other old god and there minions. We won't see old god minions in the raid, but what if there was something like Garrosh escaping his fate in the end, alone, he is captured by the naga, and taken to Queen Aszhara, her wanting the power of Y'shaarj as commanded by her 'masters'. Garrosh lives but becomes a full on villian, kind of like following in the footsteps of ner'zhul in the end.
Second, I don't have anything against troll race as a whole. Its one of my favorite races. I just don't like Vol'jin so much. The guy that use to run ZA, Zul'jin, was one of my favorite lore characters and his story is pretty damn sad. Like I said, I never stated that all trolls are potheads and bad leaders. Its just the pothead stereotype was added by blizz during WoW. Take Belf males for example, people always call them homosexuals because of their /emotes and mannerisms in WoW. Yet in lore(WC3) Belfs where nothing alike the ones in WoW, Blizz makes stereotypes for all the races for shits & giggles. Also writers change all the time so the races keep flip-flopping personalities, same with the characters.
Here's the video on the pothead joke btw:
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Gotta love the Steve Blum voice overs.
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I think though lately, the thing thats pissed me off the most is that of orcs. Before all this crap in the story now, there was this interesting dynamic of orcs in the horde, some were meat headed, some where stout and honor bound, some were intent of being better then they once were, and trying to overcome the past, well others simply ignored the warnings. you could actually look at the scen between saurfang and garrosh and see, yeah, there are different types of orcs in this lore, they are not all meat headed warmongering savages, some actually have honor and think for themselves.
But with the current story, it seems blizzard has forced all orcs into one camp, campa'da'garrosh, where they all side with Garrosh despite the rest of the horde now hating them. Where the hell is the split dynamic? why is Thrall the only orc right now in the story whos standing against Garrosh and the kor'kron? Its just such a disappointing turn of events in the lore.