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No they don't Haha.
I remember seeing a blue post saying exactly that. That they came up with the idea for MoP some time during Cataclysm and went with it. Their writing very clearly shows they have no clue which direction to take the game/the characters. Thus the ridiculous dissonance in Garrosh's character. And Thrall being shoe-horned into random stories. And completely ignoring some character's build ups for others.
Originally Posted by High Overlord Saurfangi7-6700 @2.8GHz | Nvidia GTX 960M | 16GB DDR4-2400MHz | 1 TB Toshiba SSD| Dell XPS 15
This guy :P
Up until I recently I never gave it much thought but I just started a troll druid on my new server to be my gatherer and one of the same quests that I did when I leveled a character when Cata launched now struck a chord.
In the troll starting zone, Vol'jin shows you an image of a previous conversation with Garrosh, and during their conversation, Vol'jin says the following:
Image of Vol'jin says: I know exactly what I'll be doin' about it, son of Hellscream. I'll be watchin' as ya people slowly become aware of ya ineptitude. I'll laugh as dey grow ta despise ya as I do. And when tha time comes dat ya failure is complete and ya "power" is meaningless, I will be dere to end ya rule, swiftly and silently. Ya will spend ya reign glancin' over ya shoulda and fearin' tha shadows, for when tha time comes and ya blood be slowly drainin' out, ya will know exactly who fired da arrow dat pierced ya black heart.
Now the time has come where the Horde as a whole are more and more aware of Garrosh's "ineptitude" and really starting to hate him. The last line of the above statement makes me think Blizzard was foreshadowing Vol'jin getting the final blow on Garrosh.
Obviously everything right now is speculation but it seems a lot more likely that they'd take a lore figure who is still very active throughout this expansion (particularly after Garrosh has done things like try to have them assassinated), than to bring one back from a previous expansion who hasn't been very active recently.
I've said this a million times. Cairne deserved it. He wrongfully accused the WARCHIEF of a heinous act. That's grounds for execution. It was a mercy that he was even given a chance to fight for his life.
Garrosh did absolutely nothing wrong until 5.1. Yes, even Theramore was in the right. The city that was used as a staging ground for invading Horde lands. If you think the Alliance wouldn't wipe out a Horde city spewing military reinforcements and invading Elwynn from half a zone away from two Alliance capitals you've got another thing coming. It just saddened me to know that two-faced bitch Jaina survived the whole ordeal.
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Originally Posted by High Overlord Saurfangi7-6700 @2.8GHz | Nvidia GTX 960M | 16GB DDR4-2400MHz | 1 TB Toshiba SSD| Dell XPS 15
It's all blizzard's fault. Without phasing in BC, with the way people went where the arrow pointed them on quests without knowing what the quests were about, they saw some emo orc crying at a campfire for 2 years.
Anduin's development has been much better and "unavoidable" thanks to phasing, but some of that is the lack of tech in BC and the rest is just the way the playerbase was expected to consume content (and they didn't).
Oh, my apologies.
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Part of the reason is that Battlegrounds are like ducks.
I personally would've really liked to have seen them turn one over on its head and have him brashly go toe-to-toe with Lei Shen and get dunked - then he crawls back to Orgrimmar and injects himself with a high-concentration dose of Y'saarhj (sp)
But that's just me; I really, really like the Lei Shen character and wish he'd stick around and do other stuff.
At this point, I think you're all nuts if you think only one person is going to ice Garrosh. Even the Lich King, who had EASILY made more enemies globally than Garrosh did with his actions (and as we saw, many of the representatives of those peoples came to Icecrown to let him have it) AND had a major lore character involved in his boss fight still met his true end at the hands of we the players - Sure, Tirion leapt up and dealt a mighty blow to Frostmourne after we all got nuked; however, he didn't strike Arthas directly and Terenas' spirit only resurrected the players - we are the ones who spend thirty seconds or however long pounding his face in until he croaks. Same with Archimonde, same with Yogg, same with Illidan and Deathwing - there are major characters involved to varying degrees in a lot of fights but the "adventurers" still deliver the killing blow in all of those situations (Deathwing even had the four remaining dragon Aspects fighting and it was still us who literally struck him down, it wasn't a cutscene where we get him to one hit point and then Thrall blasts him with the Dragon Soul - that happened after Spine, which I'll give you was more of an NPC-delivers-the-final-blow moment)
I'm definitely willing to concede that we'll probably see Heroic Ragnaros-ish lore character involvement since there are so many major characters who have a reason to put Garrosh down; however, I don't think any of them are going to axe him - I don't think it's a bad idea, I wouldn't mind having the plot progress something like this -
We begin attacking whichever part of Orgrimmar Garrosh is using as his base of operations/strongest sanctum ahead of our NPC heroes
We progress to the point at which he's vulnerable and we begin battling him without our heroic allies because we're all people he has betrayed or outright pissed off
At some point, he massively powers up and pulls a Lich King - maybe he incapacitates us or maybe he murders us all (I'm going with the former because the latter has already been done and we don't have a magical dead dad to resurrect us) probably when he's completely out of health - then we get a nice intro-to-the-Forgotten-Depths cut scene and several lore heroes (probably a mix of Alliance/Horde/+Taran Zhu or Chen) waste him in a little battle scene similar to when Arthas lays down the boom on Illidan at the end of WC3's campaign.
That's how I could see it happening since they've made pretty neat use of cut scenes in this expansion and a combat one would be neat and a way to let both the players see Garrosh to almost the end of his health bar and the lore guys who've been ready to waste him actually get to combine their efforts and bring him down (plus he'd be the first boss to have a really well-animated death since it's not just one unit getting pounded by a bunch of player animations, so he'd maybe be animated to die with Lor'themar's greatsword through his chest or something like that)
TBH, I wish more of the game's major final bosses would actually be struck down in a cut-scene featuring either lore characters or our own - it would be nice to see a random raid member get all Kratos on the Sha of Fear or Lei Shen/etc.
Anyway, pipe dreams.
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To get more toward the topic, my vote for who actually gets the KB would be for Vol'jin. As an Alliance player, I honestly don't think anyone on my side has the right to put him down. I could see the cinematic playing out something like this:
*cut scene begins, Garrosh is laying on the ground in defeat*
Garrosh: Go on, finish it..
Jaina: I would be happy to, monster! (come on, she loves calling people monsters)
Varian (who I don't like, but is probably going to be on the scene in some capacity, let's be honest): ...no. This is a matter for the Horde to decide, not you or I. They were the ones wronged by his decis--
*bowstring twangs, Garrosh dies. Vol'jin steps out from the shadows*
Vol'jin: I told ya it would be my arrow dat pierced ya heart. *to Varian* Thank ya mon, for givin' me da openin' dat I needed. But now da "Warchief" is dead, and ya job is finished. It be time for ya all to leave dis city. I promise ya safe passage back to Alliance lands, but dat be all. Don't be thinkin' we friends now, or anyting. Not yet, at least.
*cutscene ends*
That's more or less how I'd see it playing out, but hopefully cooler. On a related note, I know it's probably going to end up this way, but I would really prefer if Garrosh not get turned into some sort of sha-possessed/empowered beast. I want Garrosh dead because he is morally a monster. Turning him into a literal one would cheapen things, in my opinion.
While I agree with you wholeheartedly about not wishing to see Garrosh possessed or corrupted by the Sha, I somehow doubt either of us will get to see this come to pass. If anything, the new Scenario lore in 5.3 strongly points to Garrosh acquiring and using Sha/Old God related power. You can't lay claim to the still-living heart of an Old God without it doing at least *something* to your mind if not your body and soul. That being said, I would like Garrosh to die as he is - the whole "corruption" aspect seems to lessen the impact somehow.
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
I'd agree that a neutral character would probably be the one to ultimatly land the final blow, but I wouldn't see Wrathion there. Wrathion's story arc ultimatly points more towards the coming threat of the burning legion against azeroth, occasionally looking at the current warfront, and titan history. That all being said, I would see Chen Stormstout as a possibility, he assists the darkspear trolls in the uprising. Another possibility would be Taran Zhu if Garrosh is indeed falling victim to some sort of sha corruption, he would fit with that regarde, but I also doubt him leaving pandaria.
All things considered my gut tells me Chen will play a strong part in it, he has ties with Thrall, and other key players of the horde, and being that he is already in the area helping the trolls in their rebellion. I think that speaks for itself.