The difference between classical liberalism and modern "progressivism."

[Nakura Chambers]

Brilliant video by Pat Condell, pointing out the key differences between classical liberalism and so-called "progressive liberalism." Do you agree with his assessment of the situation?

Classical liberalism is the idea that freedom is sacred and must be protected at all costs. Classical liberal philosophers, such as John Locke, were a great influence to the American Founding Fathers. Inspired by these ideals of freedom, gun ownership and republicanism, the Founding Fathers set up classical liberalism as the official ideology of the United States. The guiding principle of classical liberalism is that, with few exceptions, people should be left to their own devices.

"Progressive liberalism" on the other hand is a relatively new ideology that is founded on the idea that the state should be the ultimate decision maker in society. Founded in the ideas that your average person "cannot make rational decisions," progressive liberals hope to instill overbearing regulations and often times flat-out bans on what they perceive to be "unprogressive" ideas and actions. The guiding principle of "progressive liberalism" is that the government "knows best."

[Jackmoves]

Do I agree with his assessment? No, I don't agree with people who wants to score cheap political points based on misinterpreted data, he is about as dispicable as the progressives he likes the take a shit on as far as I'm concerned. I'm not sure if he's clueless or just a liar. Either way, both things makes him look like a giant tool, which makes him hard to respect. 1 in 4 women here gets raped? Thats about the funniest thing I've heard in years.

I think political correctness is a ruinous thing though, something that holds back a healthy debate.

[Wells]

"Progressive liberalism" on the other hand is a relatively new ideology that is founded on the idea that the state should be the ultimate decision maker in society.

Well that's a load of nonsense.

[Vyxn]

All it is is socialism/communism package differently given a face left with different catch phrases and rhetoric, but if you really study the roots of what their ideology and agenda is. it comes straight out of the communist manifesto and Carl Marx

[Rukentuts]

Well that's a load of nonsense.

The best part is how Republicans score higher on Authoritarianism than Democrats.

[Wells]

The best part is how Republicans score higher on Authoritarianism than Democrats.

Yeah conservatives really want to let you make your own decisions*.

*Rich WASPs only pls.

[ptwonline]

Well, since his very defintion of "progressive" is a complete strawman, overall he doesn't have anything useful to tell us.

[Wells]

Its also pretty hilarious that he says

progressive liberals hope to instill overbearing regulations and often times flat-out bans on what they perceive to be "unprogressive" ideas and actions.

Given how the GOP at the state level is actively attempting to place so much regulation on abortion providers that they can't operate.

[Maxilian]

Oks, i was going to watch the video but now the comments you guys made took all my interest :S

[Raidenx]

The best part is how Republicans score higher on Authoritarianism than Democrats.

Not sure if you're implying this but Republicans are by no means classical liberals

This is better at explaining the concept than op

[Vyxn]

Its also pretty hilarious that he says
Given how the GOP at the state level is actively attempting to place so much regulation on abortion providers that they can't operate.

sure lets not regulate the abortion industries so we can have more Kermit Gosnells snipping the spines of born alive babies

[Wells]

sure lets not regulate the abortion industries so we can have more Kermit Gosnell snipping the spines of born alive babies

Did I say have no regulation? No I didn't. The post was only 2 lines long, its kind of pathetic if you still couldn't resist making stuff up.

The GOP is actively placing regulation on abortion with the goal of making abortion impossible to provide, not to make it safe.

[Daelak]

All it is is socialism/communism package differently given a face left with different catch phrases and rhetoric, but if you really study the roots of what their ideology and agenda is. it comes straight out of the communist manifesto and Carl Marx

After many months of me trying to explain it to you, you still don't get it. You owe your entire life and your family's life to the welfare states of the west. If it wasn't for our massive public spending budgets and the creation of the GI Bill, workman's comp, worker rights, and social welfare programs, your great grandparents and grandparents would not have had the money to create pensions and purchase real estate for you to inherit. This is the entire reason why we even have a large middle class.

Your entire life, your parents' entire life, and your grandparents' entire life, has been in a quasi-socialist experiment. And guess what, it is the best method to bring millions out of poverty, giving them the opportunity to purchase property and receive higher education.

The results of the socialist movement since the 20's and 30's still benefits our most elderly and our weakest in our society, and will continue to.

You are holding on to an ideology that has NEVER existed, ever. The basis of our prosperity came from public investment (long term). Charity assistance, vouchers, and all the other libertarian/conservative "policies" are a complete farce. None of the proposals that their side comes up with has no merit for any first world country and they should be treated as such.

[Dezerte]

Well, at least I know where all this socialism-scare is coming from. Question is, where did the YouTuber in question get his from?

Maybe I let my prejudice get the best of me, when I saw who the OP was. Having watched the full video now, I don't think I heard anything that I don't agree with.

Or is this going to be one of those threads where we argue the definitions of a word? In that case, I'm out, you win.

[Kraenen]

Why do conservatives always seem to think they can define political terms however they want? (Think communism, socialism, progressive, liberal - those are all bad because they give power to the people).

[Dezerte]

Though I will say, I glanced a bit on his other videos, and I think I like him a bit (at least when concerning his views on religion).

[Raidenx]

Why do conservatives always seem to think they can define political terms however they want? (Think communism, socialism, progressive, liberal - those are all bad because they give power to the people).

Everyone co-opts terms

[Daelak]

Why do conservatives always seem to think they can define political terms however they want? (Think communism, socialism, progressive, liberal - those are all bad because they give power to the people).

Because their ideology is steeped in authoritarian/non-human ideals.

[ptwonline]

Why do conservatives always seem to think they can define political terms however they want? (Think communism, socialism, progressive, liberal - those are all bad because they give power to the people).

It's a standard rhetorical tactic to make it easier to win an argument. It's not unique to conservatives.

[Deleted]

An Arctic Daishi thread that basically sais "THIS IS WHAT A POLITICS IS KBYE, YOU'RE ALL WRONG".

Whats new?