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    Quote Originally Posted by Dezerte View Post
    Those bills can take a long ass time to arrive in the mail, several weeks if not more.
    Ok, no biggie, I didn't carry my wallet, nor did I have an ID with me, but they had me registrated in their data base so it was no problems. It will be interesting to see what it costs! Can't say I got anything to complain about as far as the care goes.
    The nerve is called the "nerve of awareness". You cant dissect it. Its a current that runs up the center of your spine. I dont know if any of you have sat down, crossed your legs, smoked DMT, and watch what happens... but what happens to me is this big thing goes RRRRRRRRRAAAAAWWW! up my spine and flashes in my brain... well apparently thats whats going to happen if I do this stuff...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kujako View Post
    Cost of care is a different issue then source of insurance. In a fully socialized healthcare system, doctors work for the state. The problem in the US is that health insurance and care is a for profit industry. So the insurance companies have a vested interest in charging as much as they can, while paying out as little as they can. So they negotiate deals with healthcare providers for lower rates under threat of not allowing their clients to go to that hospital etc. So to defer the lower profits, the hospitals etc raise prices elsewhere. There is also a major problem with doctors prescribing unneeded or ineffective treatments because that's how they get paid.
    Yeah and Obamacare is digging their tendrils deeper into the US system and will raise premiums even more

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raidenx View Post
    Damn that's high lol
    Yes its high, but that pays for everything. Healthcare, emergency services, state pension etc are all covered, you are in no danger of starving to death or dying from lack of medical care. Nobody in the UK goes bankrupt because they became ill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Take the average tax rate in the US. Then add all the things you have to pay for here that you get from your taxes in Denmark.

    Starts to look like a pretty good deal imo.
    In my bracket I'd still have much more disposable income after those expenses. For each their own I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raidenx View Post
    Yeah and Obamacare is digging their tendrils deeper into the US system and will raise premiums even more
    Not if the public exchanges actually get setup. But Republican governors are so far refusing and the fed' is slow to step in and do it for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raidenx View Post
    Damn that's high lol
    But not when you compare it to what we pay in taxes already + the cost of health insurance. It likely comes out similar, and would likely be a lot less were it made not for profit and everyone paid into the same resource pool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RICH1471 View Post
    Yes its high, but that pays for everything. Healthcare, emergency services, state pension etc are all covered, you are in no danger of starving to death or dying from lack of medical care. Nobody in the UK goes bankrupt because they became ill.
    We have all of those but healthcare and our taxes are much lower. Nobody starves in the US. I assume healthcare costs the most out of those services? What are the percentages?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raidenx View Post
    Nobody starves in the US.
    Simply not true, as much as I wish it where otherwise.

    http://www.worldhunger.org/articles/...nger_facts.htm
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    Also a good article on why our Healthcare is so damn expensive

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/toddhixo...sts-so-high/2/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kujako View Post
    Simply not true, as much as I wish it where otherwise.

    http://www.worldhunger.org/articles/...nger_facts.htm

    Yes poor people can't afford as much food, but how many of them starve to death?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICH1471 View Post
    I think 45% is the highest bracket, for that you need to earn over £130K+ I think, I am not an expert in this field so may be wrong.
    Thanks for the insight Rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raidenx View Post
    Yes poor people can't afford as much food, but how many of them starve to death?
    That's setting the bar fairly low, even in the poorest of third world countries death by starvation is uncommon due to how long it takes (you'll die from other things first).
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    from Alberta, Canada

    Prescriptions: $10 - $30 is typically the maximum even without benefits from an employer. My employee insurance pays 80% of all prescriptions so on average it's only a few bucks.

    Lab Work (blood tests, x-rays, etc.) nothing out of pocket.

    Hospital stays: nothing out of pocket.

    ER visits: nothing out of pocket.

    Opticians and Dental is not covered, but most if not all employer benefits will have a dental plan and optician/glasses coverage, usually up to 100% and an allowance for new glasses every 3 years.

    My province has no premiums as of like 10 years ago, my tax rate averages out to about 22%. All in all, pretty lucky.

    edit: changed from "Free" to "nothing out of pocket" before someone baww's about how it's not really free since it's paid by taxes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raidenx View Post
    We have all of those but healthcare and our taxes are much lower. Nobody starves in the US. I assume healthcare costs the most out of those services? What are the percentages?
    Not really. Taxes paid depends on several factors. I make roughly $20k a year. I have 2 children living with me at home. My out of check taxes equate to ~20% or so. Add in my healthcare premium, and that jumps to about 30%, and I have the cheap option. Then factor in out-of-pocket expenses. Suddenly I am paying more for the same or less treatment. My deductible is $1000 a year, and that only counts towards co-pays and hospital expenses, not medications.

    And people are starving all over America. I guess my childhood never happened then, huh? I distinctly remember a time when we literally had no food in the house.
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    lets compare health care by using a scale between one and ten with Privatized Healthcare some people will have a 10 and some will have a 1 and all the numbers in between depends on the resorses of the individual. with Socialized Healthcare every one will have the same and by the nature of the beast it will never be a 10 and no mater what you do to improve you economic resources you health care will not improve

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raidenx View Post
    We have all of those but healthcare and our taxes are much lower. Nobody starves in the US. I assume healthcare costs the most out of those services? What are the percentages?
    I made a thread a while back about what my taxes pay for, I like to keep track of it to some degree.
    It will be different for other countries of course. The largest chunk goes towards my retirement, but apart from that it's health care and elderly care... or care for disabled people.

    State:

    Governance, State's financial management, etc. ---> $365
    Activity and sickness compensation (early retirement for disabled) ---> $635
    Sick pay and Rehabilitation ---> $254
    Social Insurance Agency ---> $80
    Work place injury compensation/benefits, etc. ---> $47
    Disability Benefits, etc. ---> $16
    Parental insurance(parental leave, allowance for staying home when your child gets sick etc) ---> $365
    Child allowance/support ---> $270
    Other, family and children ---> $158
    Unemployment support and activity support ---> $333
    Wage subsidies ---> $174
    Labour market programs ---> $79
    Job seekers agency ---> $63
    Other, labor / employment ---> $47
    Infrastructure ---> $428
    Personal Assistance for disabled etc, dental, other health care ---> $365
    Defence and Military ---> $476
    Education / Research (University / College) ---> $587
    Public Retirement ---> $365
    Others, seniors ---> $95
    Courts and judiciary ---> $412
    Fee to the EU ---> $333
    Foreign Aid ---> $320
    Interest on public/national debts ---> $380
    Special need support for students ---> $238
    Migration, Integration, Equality ---> $142
    Culture, media and leisure ---> $126

    Retirement
    $7190

    County Council

    Primary healthcare ---> $650
    Specialised healthcare (not psychiatric) ---> $2095
    Specialised care (psychiatric) ---> $349
    Dentistry ---> $95
    Home Health Care ---> $47
    Drugs and pharmacy services ---> $397
    Other health care ---> $301
    Traffic and infrastructure ---> $238

    The municipality

    Business ---> $80
    Sports and leisure facilities ---> $143
    Recreation centers, leisure ---> $80
    Preschool and child care ---> $1126
    Financial assistance / social assistance(welfare checks) ---> $222
    Other individual and family care(social workers and their activities) ---> $380
    Streets, roads, parking and parks ---> $254
    Rescue Services ---> $111
    Physical and technical planning, environment, etc. ---> $127
    Library ---> $80
    Culture ---> $111
    School inc. preschool ---> $1523
    Gymnasium ---> $682
    Elderly and Disabled ---> $2444
    The nerve is called the "nerve of awareness". You cant dissect it. Its a current that runs up the center of your spine. I dont know if any of you have sat down, crossed your legs, smoked DMT, and watch what happens... but what happens to me is this big thing goes RRRRRRRRRAAAAAWWW! up my spine and flashes in my brain... well apparently thats whats going to happen if I do this stuff...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    lets compare health care by using a scale between one and ten with Privatized Healthcare some people will have a 10 and some will have a 1 depends on the resorses of the individual. with Socialized Healthcare every one will have the same and by the nature of the beast it will never be a 10 and no mater what you do to improve you economic resources you health care will not improve
    Typical response, I bet you think we have "death panels" too. Socialized Medicine, letting people rot away in hallways!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    lets compare health care by using a scale between one and ten with Privatized Healthcare some people will have a 10 and some will have a 1 depends on the resorses of the individual. with Socialized Healthcare every one will have the same and by the nature of the beast it will never be a 10 and no mater what you do to improve you economic resources you health care will not improve
    Empirical evidence gathered by many global groups and think tanks show this is not the case at all. Socialized medicine has better outcomes and IS CHEAPER.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TradewindNQ View Post
    Typical response, I bet you think we have "death panels" too.
    We do. But they work for the private insurance companies and not the government. They literally get to decide if keeping you alive and healthy is cost effective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kujako View Post
    We do. But they work for the private insurance companies and not the government. They literally get to decide if keeping you alive and healthy is cost effective.
    Precisely, just imagine if we didn't have medicare, our elderly would not be able to purchase insurance unless they were some of the wealthiest in the nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raidenx View Post
    Yeah and Obamacare is digging their tendrils deeper into the US system and will raise premiums even more
    Not a big Affordable Health Care person myself. I wanted the single-payer system that Obama originally wanted. This insurance thing we got instead is the compromise with Republicans (it being the Heritage Foundation plan that Romney went with with Mass). The single-payer "socialized" system went out the window when people started freaking out about "death panels". (Like insurance companies aren't death panels all on their own.)

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