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    Quote Originally Posted by Grakey View Post
    They are mostly in the Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota regions. However, there are also Indians in Wyoming, Colorado and Alaska. There are also a lot of them in Canada.
    There are quite a few of them in Nevada and Arizona, too, I believe.

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    All I know about modern native americans now is that they live on reservations which are rife with poverty, alcoholism and are more susceptible to diabetes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommo View Post
    I thought it common knowledge that they were essentially wiped out by the new americans. Theres probably splintered groups still around, but I cant imagine theres many.



    This site baffles me every day, a simple warning would have sufficed, instead of 5 points leading to a ban...
    If they gave warnings every time someone did something wrong, no one would ever get banned. Getting infracted/banned is a way of making sure that posters know the rules. That's why bans here aren't permanent -- they're intended to inform you of the rules so that you won't make the same mistake in the future.

    A warning might work for some people, but the vast majority will treat a warning like most everyone else does: as a pass to break the rules again.

    Speaking of which, discussing moderation is not allowed on these forums. You could be infracted for your post. Maybe you should consider this a warning.

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    I'm talking about their culture. You can't point out the bad in everyone. warlike, violent and dying young? Hello the world today?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spicy View Post
    I'm talking about their culture. You can't point out the bad in everyone. warlike, violent and dying young? Hello the world today?
    The world today is more peaceful than it's ever been. That's not to say we don't fight anymore, but war becomes less common with each passing decade.
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    You shouldn't assume and read up on their history. You probably saw too many glorified cowboy movies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spicy View Post
    I'm talking about their culture. You can't point out the bad in everyone. warlike, violent and dying young? Hello the world today?
    A lot of people like to ignore it, but there were almost certainly more Native American tribes killed by Native Americans, over time, than by anyone else. Sure, they may have been a spiritual people, generally speaking, but their way of life involved war and murder as a regular thing.

    You can lament the loss of living in harmony with the land, but don't even begin to suggest that the Native American way was better. If it were better, it'd still be the way. They had just as much evil in them as today's people do... we just don't talk about it because it's irrelevant.

    And since you described the world today as warlike, violent, and dying young... well, you should probably do some research into history before you start comparing today's world to the world years ago.

    Dying young? 1000 years ago the average life span was around 24 years. 100 years ago it was around 40-50. Nowadays it's up to around 70.

    Warlike? A few countries, maybe, but most of the world is at peace. Go back 100 years and you'll see a lot more war. Go back 1000 years and you'll see even more.

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    Indigenous People of North America. Not Native Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spicy View Post
    You shouldn't assume and read up on their history. You probably saw too many glorified cowboy movies.
    Why do you assume that I'm assuming? I assume you assume things quite often yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bakudai View Post
    Indigenous People of North America. Not Native Americans.
    And what does "indigenous" mean? It means, "native." I don't think anyone in here, aside from you, cares to be that politically correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reeve View Post
    Why do you assume that I'm assuming? I assume you assume things quite often yourself.
    I agree with you. Spicy's post (warlike, violent, dying young) was one huge assumption, all of which was completely incorrect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuku2 View Post
    And what does "indigenous" mean? It means, "native." I don't think anyone in here, aside from you, cares to be that politically correct.
    Native means born there, so anybody born in the americas could be "native" I was born in Kanas so by definition I am a native american.

    Indigenous peoples are ethnic minorities who have been marginalized as their historical territories became part of a state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bakudai View Post
    Indigenous People of North America. Not Native Americans.
    You just said two things that mean exactly the same thing, except inasmuch as the first phrase was specific to the northern continent (which still doesn't add much specificity).
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    Actually, in all fairness, no the Native Americans were not peaceful primitives. They could be downright brutal to each other long before the Europeans came along. The idyllic peaceful unspoiled America was a myth that started after the European invasion so our ancestors felt better about what they did. We were "saving" these people.

    In fact, the native peoples use of deforestation and farming had a significant impact on the land before the Europeans ever touched it. http://www.baylor.edu/mediacommunica...ry&story=90379
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reeve View Post
    You just said two things that mean exactly the same thing, except inasmuch as the first phrase was specific to the northern continent (which still doesn't add much specificity).
    Native usually means person born there, Anybody born in the US could be considered native american by the definition of native.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamdwelf View Post
    Native usually means person born there, Anybody born in the US could be considered native american by the definition of native.
    The words "Native" and "American" used separately might have that meaning, but used together, they refer to the indigenous people of the Americas. Disparate words when used together often take on entirely new meanings. Just like "hot dog" isn't referring to a canine with a high temperature gradient, "native american" isn't referring to someone of European descent who was born in Kansas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamdwelf View Post
    Native means born there, so anybody born in the americas could be "native" I was born in Kanas so by definition I am a native american.

    Indigenous peoples are ethnic minorities who have been marginalized as their historical territories became part of a state.
    Someone already gave a proper reply to this post, but I'm going to point something out anyway.

    I just looked up the definition of the word "native". Among the lists of Synonyms was, you guessed it, "indigenous".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamdwelf View Post
    Native usually means person born there, Anybody born in the US could be considered native american by the definition of native.
    Given that either is an arbitrary term applied to represent the specific ethnic groups, it doesn't really matter. The peoples have their own names, and I really doubt they're leading some movement to have them called something new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spicy View Post
    You shouldn't assume and read up on their history. You probably saw too many glorified cowboy movies.
    They weren't massacred just because white people are evil. They were also massacred because a huge part of their culture was about raiding, murder, slavery, and general violence all around, and settlers just couldn't live next to them without getting killed all the time, or having their property raided and their horses and cattle stolen (a crime punishable by death). Well, that, and because they were too disorganized to resist. Not because they were weak, note, but disorganized. They weren't strong as a result of living in peace and harmony with each other. They could've maybe have defeated the settlers if they had united, but the tribes never did (to any significant degree; Tecumseh tried and failed), because they were too busy hating on each other, just like every other group of people in every other place.

    That's not to say their destruction was inevitable, but stupid people on both sides did too many stupid things too many times, and when one guy killing another guy can spark a war if the event isn't handled properly, it's no wonder there was a lot of killing going around.

    They also didn't live in harmony with nature - or whatever - anymore than we do; their arrival in the americas heralded a mass-exctinction in species diversity of much the same magnitude as what happened when the white man arrived. They were living 'in harmony' with the current animals around in exactly the same way that we live 'in harmony' with the animals currently around us - that is, the ones that are still around. The reason they didn't have beasts of burden - for example - wasn't because there were never any animals around that could've served that purpose, but because they drove every single one of them to extinction without realizing, or caring about, their utility.

    They weren't any better or worse than anybody else was back then.

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    Still many populations on reservations, and plenty of individuals spread outside of them as well. Are they everywhere? No. They're quite a small minority now, so it makes sense that you may not have personally met a Native American, especially if you're only counting full-blooded. No they don't all live 'on the res', but many who leave tend to stay somewhat close and it's certainly where the population clusters are. And those who do leave tend to be more open about mixed marriage (or even just a few generations ago, were being forced to lie about their heritage, like my ancestor).

    Find the tribe closest to you. You'd probably be surprised at their presence. I know one of the ones close to us (owns several of the big border casinos) has quite the government structure.

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